needs more hellajiggawatts

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.....Ok

A car CAN be hellaflush and still be functional. WingsofWar said it spot on. Far too many people are getting onicamber "VIP" style cars confused with the term hellaflush. Hellaflush does not mean the car has to be dropped to where you're tucking 2" of rim and running 3+degrees of camber front and rear....

I saw a question regarding movement of the wheels....Simple, when the rear end squats, the rear wheels camber in. Imagine this:

l <-fender
/ <-stretched sidewall of tire

^^Kinda ghetto but imagine as the wheel moves up, the wheel cambers in further and the stretched sidewall is allowing for extra clearance. When done right, you should have little to no rubbing on the fenders. Granted, hellaflush and super low ride height is not the way to be when you wanna be super competative. (Formula D-but FD sucks anyways)

What's funny is the people that try to shoot it down and hate and they have the most ridiculous examples as to why it's dumb. People talk about cut springs, cars that sit on the ground and run retarded camber.
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam.../xdc/two19.jpg

See this car in real life and it is hellaflush. With 18x11 with 275/35 tires and no more than a degree of camber in the rear. Very competative still.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...r/xdc/two4.jpg

^^Another great example. Homie George Marstanovic back in AZ in this car. Took 3rd for the 2011 XDC series.

IT CAN BE DONE! You just have to do it right!

Hmmm, that somehow makes me thing of this:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...&pictureid=416

:)

EDIT: Dangit Wings! You got to it before I did!!! :P

I gotta be honest I'd never heard of "hellaflush" until after I joined this forum, so this debate is pretty new to me. With that being said, it just looks like someone installed their tires incorrectly and has a broken suspension. In other words, I don't get it.

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What the heck if you click on the 5000 miles link, you can see little bits of rubber all over the fender...I think?

Nice, lmao :laughabove:

So if I post a NASCAR I can say you can be slammed and running different suspension settings on each corner and still be functional?

Doesn't look too Herrafrush to me....


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Oh that's Armand's MR2...

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Apparently poke, tuck, and stretch gets you this :D
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My point is posting a track functional car is not a good defense. This thread was about the OPs street car if I'm not mistaken. A hellaflush drift car does not make my opinion of hellaflush street cars any different, the same as I think NASCAR is cool but if someone is driving on the street with positive camber on one side and negative on the other I'm just going to facepalm. But its not my money or car, so I hope they don't feel I am trying to discourage them, just posting my opinion.

Eh, we got Giccin.

I know that douchebag. t(-_- t)

I think it's a fair comparsion since majority of the aftermarket parts originate from drift and race cars. I thought that was the point of modifying a car; so that you can have the achieve performance and styling similar to a race car on the street.



Is that a good or a bad thing that you know who's MR2 this is?

You really think this is rice?

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Yeah...I'm sorry, but he has so much trouble going over those tiny ass inclines, it's just so impractical...

That 240sx will not survive in my area. After driving 3 lights, front & rear bumper gonna be gone lol

I'm not saying this is rice, its a very clean ride. But this video is exactly the type of thing I don't understand. He basically took a video showing how much care he has to take just to get in his driveway and thinks his car is super cool. If he likes it great, I just will never understand it or want it for myself.

God I love s13's. That wheel fitment, not so much. I personally hate that under the fender look.

The owner of that car looks like he does some track days though so that look was probably an unintended result of him lowering it for better handling.

Low and too slow. :l

That 13 hatch is THE SHIT. Who cares if he has to take caution to do that in and out of a driveway. You know how many supras and high end exotics that have to do the nearly the same damn thing?

Idk how hellaflush results in running positive camber on one side and negative on the other. Just another example of whay I said previously about people having ridiculous reasons as to why its dumb. How about focusing on cars that are done right and not ones that are half assed.

I will be the first one to say right now that my frs will definitely be running that legit fitment. Haters gonna hate. Fact of the matter is, we are all into something different. Some people are into time attack/grip etc and want to build a car for that. Others are into drag racing and want to build a car for that. Some are into hardparking and want to build a car for that. I want a sick street car/weekend drift car and thats what I intend to build my car for.

You have to build a car based on where you drive it. The fastest cars on a brand new perfectly built track will be very low but some tracks are bumpier and require more clearance, suspension travel, and softer springs/shocks. Track cars are too low for the street just like rally cars would be too tall. Standard roads need their own settings just like tracks or dirt have their own required settings.

IMO rice is when you go for any look that sacrifices performance.

Uhhh he wasnt saying that about hellaflush. Reread his posts.

My bad, didnt read it thouroughly.

Rice is things on the car that serve no purpose whatsoever. Boost gauge on an na car, 4" exhaust on stock 1.6l motor. Gt wing on a street driven, hardparked fwd car. Things of that nature.

Like stretched tires and a lack of suspension travel on bumpy roads? :P

Same...

Especially the term hella in general. wtf.

Umm stretched tires helps prevent sidewall flex and allows clearance for wider wheels. last time I checked you dont need full suspension travel to drive on bumpy roads. Having a flush fitment doesnt prevent suspension travel..being slammed on the ground does.

Idk what kind of roads youre driving on but if you need full travel just to get from a to b, I would suggest relocating to a different area.

Just sayin

:sigh: I'm done here...

:w00t:

Dont extoics all have a lift system now to avoid speed bumps and stuff? I know the Lambos do

Thats s13 should be fine Alberta is full of flats and slow drivers so being low and slow is good to go haha

Like the car looks awesome however still wouldn't go that low myself

we need to replace the word RICE with POSER

:lol:Yep, sell it!

TBH, I really don't miss that at all now that I have a truck. I hated speedbumps with a passion when I had my lowered cars; especially those thin n tall ones. Now I try and speed up and see if I can launch over it with my truck! :D

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Yeah, I agree! Unless you "winterize" it, it'll act more like a snow plow. :lol:

That's a pretty steep driveway. ;)

I think you are over complicating things. Modifying a car, especially an import is a way of life to many; hence why they are called "car enthusiasts". It all trickled down from the drift scene and not everyone wants to drift their but they do want their car to replicate a drift car.



##Looks at your avatar##

I knew you would like it... out of 80% of the people here! :lol:
I guess you never been to the Bay Area! "Hella" and "Hecka" are to SF as "Dude" is to SoCal and "YO" is to NY.

one thing i am happy to do is retire my rx7 from street use. Like that S13 video posted, it was a pain to go anywhere in that car. It was too low, too stiff, and impractical. Now that im getting a BRZ, I can keep the Rx7 as a dedicated track toy, while still have fun with a sporty car on the street. And no way in hell am i going to mod my current daily 04 Subaru Legacy Wagon GT 5mt, i keep it stock because its a car i bought to serve my family and their safety..

Moral of the story....a car built for soly for HPDE is rice on the street. Aka try driving a JGTC GT500 Nissan GTR or a Forumla One to get groceries...you will hate your life.

This same principle goes for people who try to set up their street car to mimic racecars. There is a certain degree in which you should stop.

I don't judge the guy based on his car but he referred me to an awesome MR2 mechanic in the OC where I met other enthusiasts not into hellaflush... Armand and these guys have won countless show awards and feature spots in car magazines. Things they do to their cars are not always in my taste but their passion for meticulous customization and care for the community are what I respect.

Not sure anyone noticed the girl on his car is Evelyn Lin. I thought that was funny.

This.

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What VenomRush said. That is more poser than rice.

Rice to me is modifications done to a car that are completely hideous.

Stuff like lambo/suicide doors, bright color paint jobs, neon lights underneath, altezza tail lights, other car's headlights and tail lights molded on, fake hood scoops and fender vents, wild bodykits that dont flow with the car's lines, bodykits that are still primered yet mounted, full audio in the rear, knockoff wheels, blue halogen lights that are supposed to look like HIDs.

Oh ok. That's too extreme for me given that you can't even slide a credit card but I'm not going to talk sh*t b/c it ain't my car.

I don't even know who Evelyn is but that reminds me of Vivid and 935racing back in the days when they were into only cars. Then they eventually got in to porn by asking them to pose for the car shows and the rest is downhill. :D

Just looked up evelyn Lin up and damnn good thing I wasn't at work LOL

I support the hellaflush sence now :D

Cause I said it is??:thumbsup:

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I DON'T CARE!!!