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Pitman 04-26-2014 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1699124)
The avo kit is working too hard at 300whp. If you only want to get a figure and hardly use it, then go avo. But pushing avo north of 250whp is not going to be a realiable track/often-raped setup.

How I love internet experts! :mad0260:

Dipstik-sportech 04-26-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitman (Post 1699976)
How I love internet experts! :mad0260:

I love fanboys

The Frozen North

diss7 04-26-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitman (Post 1699976)
How I love internet experts! :mad0260:

I've seen two avo turbo kitted 86s overheating at the track. Both running 7psi. Both had oil coolers. One also had a thicker radiator.

Real life track usage experience. Not "look at my dyno, my car is realiable because it's been going for a few months as a light duty street car" experience.

SmsAlSuwaidi 04-26-2014 10:02 PM

Fbm or Avo
 
@diss7 is legit, he took off a sc for a turbo :)


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SilverTipp 04-27-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1700093)
I've seen two avo turbo kitted 86s overheating at the track. Both running 7psi. Both had oil coolers. One also had a thicker radiator.

Real life track usage experience. Not "look at my dyno, my car is realiable because it's been going for a few months as a light duty street car" experience.

I thought one of the advantages of the AVO and PTUNING kits were there placement for quick spooling and low heat? Now you say the opposite? Everyone's differences in opinions and experience in this forum constantly confuses the sh*t out of me ... I don't know if I will ever bite the bullet and get one.

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cdrazic93 04-27-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverTipp (Post 1701040)
I thought one of the advantages of the AVO and PTUNING kits were there placement for quick spooling and low heat? Now you say the opposite?

The big thing here is they are at the track, AVO is perfect for DD. I would probably go with PTUNING or FBM for the track

deucethemoose 04-27-2014 05:05 PM

Odd that AVO has no problem with heat when beating the piss out of their racecar at Tsukuba.

SmsAlSuwaidi 04-27-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1701050)
Odd that AVO has no problem with heat when beating the piss out of their racecar at Tsukuba.


Ever heard of something called third party testing ?

I know an avo kit that heated up within a few laps


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deucethemoose 04-27-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi (Post 1701054)
Ever heard of something called third party testing ?

I know an avo kit that heated up within a few laps


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I know of a lot of third parties who have tested. There are a ton of us with the AVO kit up here in the PNW. There was an AVO powered car at 86 Expo that was beat on in the 100+ degree heat all weekend long with AC going and no issues.

No need to act like a tool - if you know of one kit that overheated then super. Don't buy one.

Dipstik-sportech 04-27-2014 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1701060)
I know of a lot of third parties who have tested. There are a ton of us with the AVO kit up here in the PNW. There was an AVO powered car at 86 Expo that was beat on in the 100+ degree heat all weekend long with AC going and no issues.

No need to act like a tool - if you know of one kit that overheated then super. Don't buy one.

No need to act like a fanboy and snap at someone who points out they know someone with the same kit as you that has issues. Do we know what cooling upgrades the on that was beat on had done to it? I highly doubt it was on the stock radiator.

The Frozen North

SmsAlSuwaidi 04-27-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1701060)
I know of a lot of third parties who have tested. There are a ton of us with the AVO kit up here in the PNW. There was an AVO powered car at 86 Expo that was beat on in the 100+ degree heat all weekend long with AC going and no issues.



No need to act like a tool - if you know of one kit that overheated then super. Don't buy one.


Im the tool in here ? ..lol I've ridden in most fi kits for this car and know most of their cons/pros; hell i even own a turbo kit. This car needs cooling upgrades to be tracked even in stock form.


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Bigmaxy 04-27-2014 07:26 PM

I would think that any car that is going to see sustained track time will need cooling upgrades regardless of AVO or FBM.

As an aside I seem to recall an issue with the cooling fans on some of the FBM kits melting also.

diss7 04-27-2014 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverTipp (Post 1701040)
I thought one of the advantages of the AVO and PTUNING kits were there placement for quick spooling and low heat? Now you say the opposite? Everyone's differences in opinions and experience in this forum constantly confuses the sh*t out of me ... I don't know if I will ever bite the bullet and get one.

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The Ptuning kit is the best turbo kit as far as heat management, because of the turbo placement, and the option to keep the well insulated stock headers. It has a lot of IC piping though, which is the compromise with this kit.

AVO turbo location seems positive for heat management, but the turbo outlet pipe is far from ideal from a flow point of view, and this will raise EGT. IMO, this offsets the gains from having the turbo mounted where they have it.

Dipstik-sportech 04-27-2014 07:54 PM

All kits have they're teething problems, hell the car itself has had its own issues. All kits have they're ups and downs, it's up to you to weigh your options.

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