Wide Band AFR questions

[kbogarto]

I am going forced induction next month and have a couple questions regarding a wideband AFR gauge.

1. If I get an AFR gauge I would like to have a failsafe built into my tune based on the readings from the AFR sensor. I assume with a custom tune this is easily added?

2. I plan on installing the kit myself but have no way of welding the bung into the exhaust. Is this a pretty straightforward thing for most shops to do? how much would they charge for this?

Thanks for the responses, I have learned a ton form reading through this forum.

[rb6freak]

1) yes tuner can do that based of the exhaust manifold sensor as well as your wideband - once you feed the signal back into the ECU.

2) AEM offers a 30 dollar or so kit to drill your own bung into the exhaust. Its a slip on device with no welding: http://www.aemelectronics.com/produc...-sensor-mounts

I personally would get one welded.

[bakerr6]

That no-weld bung was a good idea. I agree though, just get it welded in. The bung will probably cost around the same price e to have it welded in (I would think no more than 40-50, including the bung).

[ztan]

Just wondering if anyone has done the scaling work on the stock sensor at the rich end.

I was wondering and posted earlier today in mad_sb's thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27793

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by ztan

Just wondering if anyone has done the scaling work on the stock sensor at the rich end.

I was wondering and posted earlier today in mad_sb's thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27793

Mine reads down to 11.02. How accurate it is that low though would need a true WBO2 installed.

[Fizz]

I'm still confused about how to hook up a aftermarket wideband sensor. Can I just remove the rear O2 sensor and replace with the aftermarket one? How do you connect the wires?

[rb6freak]

Originally Posted by Fizz

I'm still confused about how to hook up a aftermarket wideband sensor. Can I just remove the rear O2 sensor and replace with the aftermarket one? How do you connect the wires?

That's a good question, I'm not certain if the factory one can be swapped out with the wideband.

However, I know others that just feed their wideband signal into the secondary o2 sensor blue wire after snipping that wire.

[kbogarto]

So if i ran an AFR failsafe through a custom tune off the stock O2 sensor I wouldn't need to do any wiring at all correct?

[rb6freak]

More info from this thread - I had forgotten all about it:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57902

Edit: And these:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42764

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49557

[Fizz]

But isn't the whole point of swapping out the stock rear sensor for the wideband sensor is because the aftermarket one gives more accurate reading?

If you are just hooking up the failsafe to the stock sensor then you're still basing your safety cut on inaccurate readings....no?

[Xuningshen]

man you guys are confusing me even more.... I've been trying to research this. I assumed you can't just replace it with a stock one.

I was planning on getting the berk overpipe that has a bung welded into it.

http://counterspacegarage.com/berk-t...-frs-gt86.html

off topic: Although doing this with the stock headers would be completely useless because of the cats correct? I wanted to start off with a wideband on the Jackson racing SC w/ the carb tune.

[Reaper]

First off a wideband o2 must be before any cats.

Second you can run the signal from a wide band into the factory ecu (see previous links) but you need a good tuner and ecutek to build in a failsafe.

The stock o2 is pretty good, but it's not perfect.

I have an aem failsafe wired into my ecu.

[rb6freak]

Originally Posted by Xuningshen

off topic: Although doing this with the stock headers would be completely useless because of the cats correct? I wanted to start off with a wideband on the Jackson racing SC w/ the carb tune.

Not true. The tuner must know about the cats or lack there of when tuning. My tuner was able to tune with the wideband sensor after the cat, no problem. Accuracy was spot on.

If you're going to flash with the off the shelf carb tune then having a wideband would be for your own observation / logging. Adding a failsafe mechanism would require the tuners assistance.

[Xuningshen]

Originally Posted by rb6freak

Not true. The tuner must know about the cats or lack there of when tuning. My tuner was able to tune with the wideband sensor after the cat, no problem. Accuracy was spot on.

If you're going to flash with the off the shelf carb tune then having a wideband would be for your own observation / logging. Adding a failsafe mechanism would require the tuners assistance.

Sweet thanks a lot for the info dude.