ft86 ESSENCE?.... - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

udon! · 10-17-2009, 04:03 PM

So, coming across a forum dedicated to this future machine in interested in,
i am wondering. Will this car have a Motor, suspension, and gearbox, like ae86/ s13/ s14 ect...

or. will these things have all kinds of crazy computer limits like the GTR (r35)

im really looking for for the first up top, (motor, gearbox, suspension, simple.) but it seems kind of unlikely. Im just praying that one day soon a car will be produced like the late 80s early 90s japanese sports car essence.

do any of you know this info? has it been released yet?

White Comet · 10-17-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by udon!

So, coming across a forum dedicated to this future machine in interested in,
i am wondering. Will this car have a Motor, suspension, and gearbox, like ae86/ s13/ s14 ect...

or. will these things have all kinds of crazy computer limits like the GTR (r35)

im really looking for for the first up top, (motor, gearbox, suspension, simple.) but it seems kind of unlikely. Im just praying that one day soon a car will be produced like the late 80s early 90s japanese sports car essence.

do any of you know this info? has it been released yet?

First off, LOVE the username!

Second, I think Toyota already announced the car would have an Aisin 6-speed tranny, but even if that's not yet confirmed, I guarantee that a car with a price point of 20,000 will not come with some fancy automated manual. Toyota is trying to bring back a simple, fun, enthusiast car, and if they lose sight of that goal, this car isn't going to be as exciting as they are currently making it out to be a la prototype.

Y06_Z33 · 10-18-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

First off, LOVE the username!

Second, I think Toyota already announced the car would have an Aisin 6-speed tranny, but even if that's not yet confirmed, I guarantee that a car with a price point of 20,000 will not come with some fancy automated manual. Toyota is trying to bring back a simple, fun, enthusiast car, and if they lose sight of that goal, this car isn't going to be as exciting as they are currently making it out to be a la prototype.

+1

that what is good about the AE86, the simplicity of the car. Even a DIY mechanic can do minor/major improvements on the car. the waiting begins....

Franisco · 10-18-2009, 04:32 PM

First off, do you actually own a McLaren F1? And if you do, why the hell are you looking at this thing?
Secondly, if they do go under 28-30k I'm guessing it won't have too many electronic fancy parts.

Jordo! · 10-18-2009, 05:37 PM

It's the 21st century. It will have at least a rev limiter and other protective goodies so people don't blow up their shiny new car...

Treuno · 10-19-2009, 03:58 AM

I think what the OP is trying to get at is, "How many computer nannies will this car be equipped with and how annoying are these nannies going to be?" Nannies such as traction control, drive by wire, and tpms that hinder the users of the modern sports car to truly enjoy themselves.

We've all seen the "ABS" button and the potential that this could be a ABS activation/deactivation button. It really sends out the message that Toyota is trying to recreate the cars of the 80's and early 90's where interuption between the car and the driver is non existant.

How realistic is this message? A lot of these electrical and mechanical nannies that govern modern cars are there simply because of current standards with safety and emmissions. There are no ways around it.

You can expect the FT-86 to be equipped with such things as speed limiters, traction control, drive by wire, TPMS, and pretty much anything else that's equipped with what an average 2009 model automobile. In fact, standards change every year. The FT-86 could vary well come equipped with more annoyances than there all ready exists.

Right now it's not what the annoyances the FT-86 will come with, but how Toyota/Subaru choose to integrate such things at a tolerable level. Nevertheless, these things won't matter once aftermarket companies jump in a few years after production.

Jordo! · 10-19-2009, 05:35 AM

^^^ Assuming it even has traction control, I could envision an on/off feature as an option.

I highly doubt ABS will have an on/off switch, but who knows?

It probably won't have a speed limiter -- it's not as if the thing will make enough power to break the sound barrier... they didn't limit the 7th gen Celica (US models), so why limit this one.

A LSD option would be nice...

7shades · 10-19-2009, 05:49 AM

I currently drive (amongst other things) a JDM Toyota Chaser JZX100. This damn car has more electronic nannies than I have ever seen before, including the (mandatory in Japan) 180kph speed limiter.
These kind of limiters and driver aids are incorporated into pretty much ALL new vehicles as a means of satisfying safety requirements.
Thankfully though, all can be quite easily defeated or bypassed, and I would assume the FT to be the same.

Jokem · 10-19-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

It's the 21st century. It will have at least a rev limiter and other protective goodies so people don't blow up their shiny new car...

I agree - 21st century = electronics/sensors in a lot of places. However, the cost of this vehicle is to remain low so I doubt you'll see anything as fancy like you do in the GT-R or Evo's.

Richardcranium419 · 10-19-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jokem

I agree - 21st century = electronics/sensors in a lot of places. However, the cost of this vehicle is to remain low so I doubt you'll see anything as fancy like you do in the GT-R or Evo's.

That is why it is good that it will have a subaru motor and ECU. Very easy to get rid of all the crap you don't really need.

#87 · 10-19-2009, 04:26 PM

The big thing I hope it doesn't have is locking the traction control on if TPMS is not detected. What a pain it will be for people tracking their cars...

Simple on/off TC would be nice. I love my 2003 car because it doesn't have any of that technology crap. Just nice basic ABS and power steering...

Kenji · 10-20-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by #87

The big thing I hope it doesn't have is locking the traction control on if TPMS is not detected. What a pain it will be for people tracking their cars...

Simple on/off TC would be nice. I love my 2003 car because it doesn't have any of that technology crap. Just nice basic ABS and power steering...

+1 man. TC better be able to be totally turned off in this thing.

Kenji · 10-20-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by udon!

So, coming across a forum dedicated to this future machine in interested in,
i am wondering. Will this car have a Motor, suspension, and gearbox, like ae86/ s13/ s14 ect...

or. will these things have all kinds of crazy computer limits like the GTR (r35)

I'm hoping that since the car is supposed to be an affordable small sports coupe that putting all the computer and electronic nannies/assistants in the car just won't be cost feasible. I want my driving to be fun and the performance to feel like I earned it. GT-R is a crazy fast car but some of the professional reviewers say that it's almost too easy to drive because of all the electronic assistance built into the car. I don't want that for the the FT-86.

retrosmiths · 04-30-2014, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenji

+1 man. TC better be able to be totally turned off in this thing.

It is.

10-17-2009, 04:03 PM	#1
udon! Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 1998 Mclaren f1 Location: Inland Valley Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	ft86 ESSENCE?.... So, coming across a forum dedicated to this future machine in interested in, i am wondering. Will this car have a Motor, suspension, and gearbox, like ae86/ s13/ s14 ect... or. will these things have all kinds of crazy computer limits like the GTR (r35) im really looking for for the first up top, (motor, gearbox, suspension, simple.) but it seems kind of unlikely. Im just praying that one day soon a car will be produced like the late 80s early 90s japanese sports car essence. do any of you know this info? has it been released yet?

10-18-2009, 04:32 PM	#4
Franisco Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: D31a Location: 360 Posts: 502 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	First off, do you actually own a McLaren F1? And if you do, why the hell are you looking at this thing? Secondly, if they do go under 28-30k I'm guessing it won't have too many electronic fancy parts.

10-18-2009, 05:37 PM	#5
Jordo! Enjoy it, destroy it. Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Datsun Racing Hen Location: Blank Generation Posts: 820 Thanks: 6 Thanked 61 Times in 48 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	It's the 21st century. It will have at least a rev limiter and other protective goodies so people don't blow up their shiny new car...

10-19-2009, 03:58 AM	#6
Treuno Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: FD5 Location: NA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think what the OP is trying to get at is, "How many computer nannies will this car be equipped with and how annoying are these nannies going to be?" Nannies such as traction control, drive by wire, and tpms that hinder the users of the modern sports car to truly enjoy themselves. We've all seen the "ABS" button and the potential that this could be a ABS activation/deactivation button. It really sends out the message that Toyota is trying to recreate the cars of the 80's and early 90's where interuption between the car and the driver is non existant. How realistic is this message? A lot of these electrical and mechanical nannies that govern modern cars are there simply because of current standards with safety and emmissions. There are no ways around it. You can expect the FT-86 to be equipped with such things as speed limiters, traction control, drive by wire, TPMS, and pretty much anything else that's equipped with what an average 2009 model automobile. In fact, standards change every year. The FT-86 could vary well come equipped with more annoyances than there all ready exists. Right now it's not what the annoyances the FT-86 will come with, but how Toyota/Subaru choose to integrate such things at a tolerable level. Nevertheless, these things won't matter once aftermarket companies jump in a few years after production.

10-19-2009, 05:35 AM	#7
Jordo! Enjoy it, destroy it. Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Datsun Racing Hen Location: Blank Generation Posts: 820 Thanks: 6 Thanked 61 Times in 48 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	^^^ Assuming it even has traction control, I could envision an on/off feature as an option. I highly doubt ABS will have an on/off switch, but who knows? It probably won't have a speed limiter -- it's not as if the thing will make enough power to break the sound barrier... they didn't limit the 7th gen Celica (US models), so why limit this one. A LSD option would be nice...

10-19-2009, 05:49 AM	#8
7shades Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: JZX100, AE71(gze) Location: Cairns, Australia Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I currently drive (amongst other things) a JDM Toyota Chaser JZX100. This damn car has more electronic nannies than I have ever seen before, including the (mandatory in Japan) 180kph speed limiter. These kind of limiters and driver aids are incorporated into pretty much ALL new vehicles as a means of satisfying safety requirements. Thankfully though, all can be quite easily defeated or bypassed, and I would assume the FT to be the same.

10-19-2009, 04:26 PM	#11
#87 I usually post drunk Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 1,487 Thanks: 15 Thanked 490 Times in 231 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The big thing I hope it doesn't have is locking the traction control on if TPMS is not detected. What a pain it will be for people tracking their cars... Simple on/off TC would be nice. I love my 2003 car because it doesn't have any of that technology crap. Just nice basic ABS and power steering...

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