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10-24-2022, 01:04 PM | #1 |
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Going from a '19 Audi TTRS to a '22 GR86...what should I know?
As the title suggests, I'm looking at trading in my 2019 Audi TTRS for a 2022 (or '23) GR86 Premium. Prior to the current Audi, I had a 2018 Porsche Cayman S, and prior to that, had a 2013 Audi TTRS.
I'm looking to "downsize" and fully expect that I will be giving up some of the comforts, technology, and power of the Audi, but am hoping to maintain the "fun" factor. Of course, mod'ing the car is absolutely NOT out of the question, either. So, with that said, what should I know about the GR86 platform, drivetrain, etc. before pulling the trigger on one? |
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It is NOT an Audi nor a Porsche and as long as you totally get that then you will be fine with it. It is simply an inexpensive (comparatively of course) basic sportscar that although well equipped is still not at Audi levels. No amount of mods will bring it to Audi levels. Unless of course you end up spending so much you may as well have bought and Audi in the first place.
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I'm not saying that it does, since that's a very subjective thing that varies from person to person, and different people like cars to behave different ways. But on one end of the spectrum you have these gorgeous cars built with far less regard to final sticker price, and on the other end of the spectrum you have an open-wheel adult-size go-kart that has zero creature comforts and an absolute riot to drive. The GR86 is somewhere about a third of the way from the go-kart. And if you do modify it enough that it's basically every bit as good as the Audi in every way that matters to you... sure, it'll probably cost as much as the Audi. But to me there's a big difference between a just-off-the-showroom Audi and a custom-built for-you-by-you GR86 (or similar car). Purely my opinion: the Audis and Porsches of the world are 100% cars. The GR86 is a go-kart with enough body panels and airbags to let you register it with the DMV. It's nice enough to daily drive, but when you push it you feel more like you're driving something that shouldn't be on the street. To me, that's just more fun. |
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You'll be getting a lot of car for the money, mpg's will not be a worry (I can't remember getting under 30), and it is a lot of fun.
However, the build quality and amenities will probably be lacking compared to your reference points, and so will the engine note. I like the sound of my flat four, but it ain't got nothing on a modern flat six or an RS five-pot. Also, as road trip machines go, it'll be a tad noisy and rough. I went wild camping in Norway with mine and had loads of fun, but when cruising at 80mph it's not the most comfortable thing out there. Still, it's the only car I've been able to own for over two years (five and counting). |
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I'm assuming you plan on driving the GR86 before you buy it. That will probably let you know instantly. The Audi is a dual clutch, and I don't know if you had an auto Cayman, and I don't know if you plan to get a manual or auto, but if it is an auto, you may find going from a dual clutch to a torque converter to be a big downgrade. The gearing will be better in the 86 over a manual Porsche, as you may have heard. Make sure to take the car over bad roads, so you can assess whether the ride quality and interior noise is tolerable compared to your Audi and Porsche. The increase in rattles and creaks from cheaper materials and build quality is worse, yet probably won't be a deal breaker, but the road compliance and lack of sound deadening might be more of an issue. I don't know if you modify cars, but that could be a factor. Yes, the car has less horsepower, but it also has less potential. While you can get more power with forced induction, there are limitations. With pump gas, sub-300whp is possible, but you will need E85 for more, and the engine and transmission is somewhat reliable sub-375-400whp, probably. The previous generation is sub-350whp for the engine and sub-400whp for the transmission, so expect a little more for both with this new engine. The advantage over the Porsche is there are far more aftermarket support and FI options. The disadvantage over the Audi is the motor is the FA24 is not designed for boost, so the high compression, again, requires E85 for any significant power gains.
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Go for a test drive. I have a 16 BRZ auto and a 14 cayman PDK. They are both a blast. I much prefer the sound of the 2.7l in the cayman, but the BRZ is more playful with normal driving. Of course the auto is nothing compared to the PDK, buts it’s still fun. If you get a manual even more fun. And of course the interior is not as nice. But even after a spirited run in the cayman I can jump in the BRZ and it still puts a smile on my face. Probably best smiles per dollar car.
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You're less likely to need a flatbed
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Oh god, your post made me laugh. The struggles I've gone through when needing a tow with the Audi's still stresses me out. |
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Finally got word from my Toyota dealership that they have a 2023 Trueno Blue Premium 6MT coming in Friday! Will be going to test drive it on Monday and will let you know how everything turns out!
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Surprising that with the demand and backlog of orders they will let anybody test drive one!
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IMO the biggest downgrade will be power. I would describe the 86 as adequate.
I had a big turbo mazdaspeed 6 a few cars prior to this one making about ~380hp/~400+tq to the wheels and it was AWD. It was a very comfortable car with leather, heated seats, moon roof, keyless entry and start etc. With AWD, e85, engine mounts, and ~23lbs of boost from a 3071 coming on by ~3200 RPM the car felt violently quick in 1st and 2nd. The 86 is still one of my favorite cars. IMO it also sounds quite good if you carefully select your exhaust set up.
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As long as you aren't a roll racer on the highway, I think you'll enjoy the twin.
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Dealerships should let you show up to "buy the car" and then do a quick test drive before you sign. Assuming all goes well, you buy. But you're not on the hook until then, so if there's something that's a deal-breaker you can back out. It's not like they're going to have trouble finding a buyer in the next few days... |
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