follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > 1st Gens: Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ > BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics

BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics All discussions about the first-gen Subaru BRZ coupe


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-24-2017, 07:05 PM   #1
rennlistuser3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ
Location: Somewhere in the world
Posts: 333
Thanks: 366
Thanked 177 Times in 107 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
OEM Brembo Brake package worth it for me?

I'm really digging on information comparing the standard 2017 BRZ limited and the one wit the performance package that comes with the Brembos.

Brembos are good stoppers but from what little I know, they cost a whole lot more to replace the pads and rotors compared to just the standard. Is this the case with the BRZ?

I don't track any of my cars and I don't intend to track the BRZ. Maybe a little bit of aggressive road driving but no track use. Is the performance package worth it for me? maybe they live longer in road use and therefore offset the replacement cost? or the replacement cost isn't that significant to begin with? or am I just throwing away money on some fancy red caliper brakes?

I tried to dig this information out but at least to my best, it's not that apparent.
rennlistuser3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 07:19 PM   #2
gtengr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Drives: 2017 BRZ
Location: USA
Posts: 655
Thanks: 326
Thanked 258 Times in 177 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
The option is a good value. If you don't track or drive like an idiot on the street, it's just extra unsprung/rotating weight.
gtengr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 07:23 PM   #3
TofuJoe
Ohne Titel
 
TofuJoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Drives: 2017 BRZ PP ISM
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 684
Thanks: 1,141
Thanked 412 Times in 234 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
The Brembos aren't all you get with the performance package. The Sachs dampers ride much nicer than the stock suspension. For me, they're the perfect blend of more body control and performance, without sacrificing overall ride comfort.

And pads for the Brembos aren't that expensive. Winmax W1 or W2 pads are about $225-250 total.

Plus I think the PP 7.5" wheels are an advantage, too - easier to run a slightly wider tire once your stock tires wear out.

For $1000-1200 extra, it's a no brainer to get the PP.
TofuJoe is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TofuJoe For This Useful Post:
funwheeldrive (10-25-2017)
Old 10-24-2017, 07:25 PM   #4
trippinbillies40
Senior Member
 
trippinbillies40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Drives: '22 WRB
Location: US
Posts: 854
Thanks: 201
Thanked 1,213 Times in 400 Posts
Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Are the Brembos alone worth it if you're not taking the car to the track? Probably not. But those along with the Sachs shocks make for a noticeably better ride even on the street.
trippinbillies40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2017, 07:39 PM   #5
dowroa
Old Guy
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Drives: 16 STi, 22 MX-5 RF BBS, 04 OBS RPA
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 293
Thanks: 527
Thanked 187 Times in 136 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
... and when you finally upgrade to some AP Racing Sprint kit on the front, you can sell the front system to someone else AND still have some bangin' rear monoblock calipers.

Just note you are going to have to consider wheels (if that is interesting to you) with an offset that would clear the calipers.

I think that is how the kids nowadays would say it, anyway.
dowroa is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dowroa For This Useful Post:
funwheeldrive (10-25-2017)
Old 10-24-2017, 08:53 PM   #6
adamg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Drives: brz
Location: United States
Posts: 780
Thanks: 194
Thanked 405 Times in 212 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
to most people they are worth it primarily on looks. They look great, especially compared to the standard brakes. However if you're not an enthusiast, you wouldn't notice
adamg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 04:54 PM   #7
rennlistuser3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ
Location: Somewhere in the world
Posts: 333
Thanks: 366
Thanked 177 Times in 107 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by adamg View Post
to most people they are worth it primarily on looks. They look great, especially compared to the standard brakes. However if you're not an enthusiast, you wouldn't notice


Sooooo, I just went ahead and called my local Subaru dealer and asked directly about the replacement pads and rotors and as I expected, the Brembos are $$$$

What I got quoted was:

Front pads: 320$ Vs. 91$
read pads: 259$ Vs. 103$
Rotors: 418$ Vs. 140$


I also asked if the Brembos last longer and was told they don't, you're just paying for the extra performance upgrade. No cost leveling by life longevity there either.

As far as I know, Brembos are great for track work and I don't do that nearly often enough. The upgraded suspension is nice but I don't think I'll take them if they come with the Brembos.
rennlistuser3 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to rennlistuser3 For This Useful Post:
Adam_L (10-26-2017)
Old 10-25-2017, 04:59 PM   #8
dowroa
Old Guy
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Drives: 16 STi, 22 MX-5 RF BBS, 04 OBS RPA
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 293
Thanks: 527
Thanked 187 Times in 136 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Sure. That would be the right value call for you.

Good foot work.
dowroa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 07:21 PM   #9
Poodles
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: 2015 Series.Blue
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 1,781
Thanks: 88
Thanked 781 Times in 481 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rennlistuser3 View Post
I'm really digging on information comparing the standard 2017 BRZ limited and the one wit the performance package that comes with the Brembos.

Brembos are good stoppers but from what little I know, they cost a whole lot more to replace the pads and rotors compared to just the standard. Is this the case with the BRZ?

I don't track any of my cars and I don't intend to track the BRZ. Maybe a little bit of aggressive road driving but no track use. Is the performance package worth it for me? maybe they live longer in road use and therefore offset the replacement cost? or the replacement cost isn't that significant to begin with? or am I just throwing away money on some fancy red caliper brakes?

I tried to dig this information out but at least to my best, it's not that apparent.
If resale is part of anything, the performance pack is definitely going to be worth more. It's a minor cost difference and if it was offered when I got my car I would have jumped on it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtengr View Post
The option is a good value. If you don't track or drive like an idiot on the street, it's just extra unsprung/rotating weight.
The Brembos might possibly be LIGHTER than the normal brakes. Aluminum caliper vs cast iron. Depends entirely on the weight of the rotor in that case, but I'm betting the difference is minor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TofuJoe View Post
For $1000-1200 extra, it's a no brainer to get the PP.
A million times this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rennlistuser3 View Post


Sooooo, I just went ahead and called my local Subaru dealer and asked directly about the replacement pads and rotors and as I expected, the Brembos are $$$$

What I got quoted was:

Front pads: 320$ Vs. 91$
read pads: 259$ Vs. 103$
Rotors: 418$ Vs. 140$


I also asked if the Brembos last longer and was told they don't, you're just paying for the extra performance upgrade. No cost leveling by life longevity there either.

As far as I know, Brembos are great for track work and I don't do that nearly often enough. The upgraded suspension is nice but I don't think I'll take them if they come with the Brembos.
Nobody buys brakes from a dealer, and the cost is going to be high as they're new. In 2013 I bet the stock brakes were that expensive. Brembo consumables in general are cheap.
Poodles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 07:45 PM   #10
gtengr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Drives: 2017 BRZ
Location: USA
Posts: 655
Thanks: 326
Thanked 258 Times in 177 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poodles View Post
The Brembos might possibly be LIGHTER than the normal brakes. Aluminum caliper vs cast iron. Depends entirely on the weight of the rotor in that case, but I'm betting the difference is minor.
The PP option adds 20 lbs of weight per specs, and ~4 of that is in the wheels so...
gtengr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 08:17 PM   #11
TofuJoe
Ohne Titel
 
TofuJoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Drives: 2017 BRZ PP ISM
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 684
Thanks: 1,141
Thanked 412 Times in 234 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
@rennlistuser3 - please don’t buy pads at the dealer for those mildly astronomical prices.

I just bought Ferodo DS2500 pads for $360 total for the Brembos. Woulda bought Winmax W3 for $300 total, but they were out of stock. W2 or W1 are more like $225 total.
TofuJoe is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TofuJoe For This Useful Post:
rennlistuser3 (11-03-2017)
Old 10-25-2017, 08:17 PM   #12
rennlistuser3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ
Location: Somewhere in the world
Posts: 333
Thanks: 366
Thanked 177 Times in 107 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poodles View Post
Brembo consumables in general are cheap.

Hmmmm, you make an interesting point here...

Are you saying both the pads and the rotors are cheap from third party away from the dealer?

And are these 3rd party parts as good as the OEM? last as long? just as reliable? and all?
rennlistuser3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 08:20 PM   #13
dowroa
Old Guy
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Drives: 16 STi, 22 MX-5 RF BBS, 04 OBS RPA
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 293
Thanks: 527
Thanked 187 Times in 136 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rennlistuser3 View Post
Hmmmm, you make an interesting point here...

Are you saying both the pads and the rotors are cheap from third party away from the dealer?

And are these 3rd party parts as good as the OEM? last as long? just as reliable? and all?
Yes, if not better.
dowroa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 09:13 PM   #14
DandoX
Senior gif poster
 
DandoX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Drives: 2013 Asphalt FRS
Location: Ca, SoCal
Posts: 934
Thanks: 591
Thanked 759 Times in 390 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by rennlistuser3 View Post
I'm really digging on information comparing the standard 2017 BRZ limited and the one wit the performance package that comes with the Brembos.

Brembos are good stoppers but from what little I know, they cost a whole lot more to replace the pads and rotors compared to just the standard. Is this the case with the BRZ?

I don't track any of my cars and I don't intend to track the BRZ. Maybe a little bit of aggressive road driving but no track use. Is the performance package worth it for me? maybe they live longer in road use and therefore offset the replacement cost? or the replacement cost isn't that significant to begin with? or am I just throwing away money on some fancy red caliper brakes?

I tried to dig this information out but at least to my best, it's not that apparent.
I'm not gonna tell you to not get that performance pack because I think it's very cool if you can afford it. Those brembos on that pack fit so snugly near the rim, saw one at the last meet and seriously millimeters clearance between the brembos and the rim. So if you plan on getting different wheels then expect to put on spacers to allow it to fit over those brembos.

I do a good amount of spirited driving and I'm on a stock frs from 2013. I'm at 70k and still on my original brakes. The stock brakes perform quite well for street. I think the brembos would only show their value in auto cross or the track.

So based on that logic buy the performance pack because race car. ;p
DandoX is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to DandoX For This Useful Post:
chaoskaze (10-30-2017), Willpower (12-20-2020)
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Real STI BREMBO package upgrade - DIY Trap63 DIY (Do-It-Yourself) Guides 40 06-15-2022 09:25 PM
FT86SF's Performance Package Brembo Info Thread FT-86 SpeedFactory Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 119 08-13-2019 04:11 AM
Will The Brembo BBK of the Performance Package BRZ fit into the wheels of Series Blue DaJo Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 23 09-25-2018 05:12 PM
Do you think Scion will offer something similar to Miata's Brembo/BBS package? FRSW12 Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 18 09-17-2015 04:09 PM
Aero package Worth It?? Djen Cosmetic Modification (Interior/Exterior/Lighting) 11 06-14-2013 10:48 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.