86 vs new Supra--review by TFL car

[EAGLE5]

I'm sure the new Supra will be an absolute blast to drive. I'm absolutely, totally uninterested.

FRS? I just floored it on the way to work. Peeled out a bit, shifted to second as fast as I could. Shifted to third the same. Lifted off. 60 mph and laughing.

[iLuveKetchup]

Wait... is it auto (tq converter) or dual clutch (BMW DCT)?

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Harris is still doing them, but of course to a much lesser degree. They are also combined with Top Gear now in some cases. They also tend to be way shorter, which is something I'm not a fan of, but live with.
He is someone you should really be following.

Well, I did buy the FR-S because of him! Thanks, will go back to following.

[HachiRokuX]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

Wait... is it auto (tq converter) or dual clutch (BMW DCT)?

It has a torque converter ZF 8 speed. Still shifts pretty quickly


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[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by HachiRokuX

It has a torque converter ZF 8 speed. Still shifts pretty quickly


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whoa! WTF! I thought it was DCT. wow

[EAGLE5]

ZF 8 Speed is pretty much the best auto there is. It's in a bajillion cars.

[Ultramaroon]

86 brings the lulz

[Apoc]

I stopped watching TFL Car when they did 0-60 comparisons with the FR-S (manual with Roman driving) and a Scion tC automatic. He can't drive a manual to save his life. That was the most retard I could handle in a car review.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Hoping to see it on the Grand Tour next year.

Doubtful as the 3 lovable limey stooges announced they wont be making the series anymore.
There was a vague hint that they may do a special.

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by RFB

Doubtful as the 3 lovable limey stooges announced they wont be making the series anymore.
There was a vague hint that they may do a special.

The series lives on, only the format of the show is to be altered entirely. No more tent, no more test laps, no news, no celebrity laps. Season 4 is going to be a pure specials season. In theory could see the new Toyota Supra in such a thing.

[extrashaky]

The new Supra is a car that I almost want. I won't end up buying a car I almost want, especially when its intended competitors are cars I almost want a little more and still won't end up buying.

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by OwlDance

The AT gets 27 combined MPG as well, as opposed to the Supra's 26; it's down to the gear ratios. MTs post refresh get even shorter gear ratios which doesn't do its efficiency any favors. Pretty sure the turbo at least aids the efficiency to some extent on the I6's favor as well. That 8hp transmission has a ton of flexibility on top of that.

Yes gear ratios (but that also has to match engine output properly/ to some degree, how manufacture aims for) , and aerodynamics ( pretty sure a FRS/BRZ is about a 0.28 COD , not sure what the new Supra is). Turbo does add in efficiency getting up to speed 0-40 , or 0-60 mph for sure, but with a turbo adds more running costs later down the road (if you lease, no big deal). In the 2000's , from what I read BMW's VVT was more so about get up and go, better HP/torque numbers. As opposed to Toyota VVT is usually more so an efficiency betterment primarily (get up and go is a secondary benefit) . Does anyone know how the newer BMW engines use VVT , is it more so an even efficiency and higher output torque/HP combo ?

Given the price range for Supra , about $55-62k or so after taxes , the performance numbers look good, if you're after a 2-seater sports car that's fresh. The first 1-2 years should ….. should show good sales numbers, but it'll be interesting fast forward 5-8 years how the following is on the Supra. I'd definitely think they'll get a lot of leased cars out there the first 1-3 years, but actual owners to drop $55-62k is another story. I'm just thinking long… long term Supra retaining good value won't be as good as a 2010+ 997.2 Carrera , or 2010+ Cayman in general.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

Given the price range for Supra , about $55-62k or so after taxes , the performance numbers look good, if you're after a 2-seater sports car that's fresh. The first 1-2 years should ….. should show good sales numbers, but it'll be interesting fast forward 5-8 years how the following is on the Supra.

I think the sales numbers are going to be very disappointing. People who can afford it are going to find a market segment fairly crowded with competitors in the same price range that are more comfortable, have better performance numbers, or both. Why buy a Supra when you can spend the same money on a Porsche, Corvette or F-Type?

The real Toyota fanboys who will want it most just because it's got the Supra name on it won't be able to afford it. If anything, I'd expect the Supra to sell more 86s. It'll get the typical Toyota fanboy into the dealership to lick the windows, but then when he accepts that he really can't afford the monthly payment he'll buy an 86 as a compromise instead.

[extrashaky]

Also, if you're buying a $60K car, you're not worrying about two or three MPG difference in fuel economy. That guy is clueless for even bringing it up.