Cosworth FA20 Stage 1 Power Package

[350matt]

why not just buy the 1.1 from cosworth as that gets you the catback, air filter , thermostat, ECUtek hardware and a tune?

unless you already have the ecutek hardware I suppose?

I think there was some possibility of them Cosworth selling the kit less the ECUtek hardware for those that already have it

[Mad_Mike]

Originally Posted by FR-Sizzle

So is the Cosworth catback 1.1 just the axleback of what Nameless provides on their site?

And then the 1.2 stage is that catback different than the stage 1.1? since the Nameless axeback offered by Nameless connects to the stock mid pipe where as this one looks like it is different in design.

Would the stage 1.1 use just the AB? and the stage 1.2 and 1.3 use a Nameless cat back that was developed just for Cosworth? Because the design is different if you compare the Cosworth Nameless Catback vs the Nameless Axle back w/ their mid pipe added on.

From the looks of it, I am assuming they are a different design. I assume the header is also a different design otherwise people would just buy these parts from Nameless instead. Is their any product development thread for this where we can see dynos? Or did Nameless state anywhere that the performance should be nearly the same but a little better than what they offer on their site. I mean just based on the design and looking at it, it looks like it would perform
/breathe a lot better than their Axleback/Midpipe Combo they offer that isnt part of Cosworth.

Its too bad its so expensive. I rather spend a little more and get the Greddy/Trust Limited Edition TI version Cat back that was announced recently for a couple hundred more. The Catback does look nice though and its design is my favorite of all the cat back besides the Greddy/Trust Limited Edition catback.

The catback is different. The header and front/over pipe are the same that's on their site.

[Tainen]

Is that just the MSRP price? Because retailers might be selling it for cheaper than that, bringing it down more to the real price of high end aftermarket parts + high end tune? Just a guess.

[350matt]

Originally Posted by Mad_Mike

The catback is different. The header and front/over pipe are the same that's on their site.

I think the overpipe is different too as the resonator is spherical

http://www.cosworth.com/products/pow...ports-exhaust/


where the nameless resonator is a can

[EAGLE5]

Not sure how a one-size-fits-all tune is high-end tune. High end to me is a custom tune on a dyno by a good tuner.

[Insurme1]

You guys are being tough on a very respectable company in Cosworth. If you price out similar parts their price isn't so bad. Comparing their header to a piece of shit Borla is ridiculous. HP gain vs. $$ spent is a different issue worth discussing. The fact that Cosworth chose the gt86 platform to offer its first power packages says a lot for our cars. I've been a fan of F1 for a long time and Cosworth has always been a major player there, which is impressive.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Not sure how a one-size-fits-all tune is high-end tune. High end to me is a custom tune on a dyno by a good tuner.

True story. We always recommend a tuner with a dyno to tune throughout the rev range with very specific suggestions and recommendations. Individualize tuning is always better than a "one size fits all" tune, however, with proper testing and R&D thrown at it, you can end up with a "one size fits all", but it won't be the most optimal.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Insurme1

You guys are being tough on a very respectable company in Cosworth. If you price out similar parts their price isn't so bad. Comparing their header to a piece of shit Borla is ridiculous. HP gain vs. $$ spent is a different issue worth discussing. The fact that Cosworth chose the gt86 platform to offer its first power packages says a lot for our cars. I've been a fan of F1 for a long time and Cosworth has always been a major player there, which is impressive.

Cosworth knows what they are doing, but their pricing also reflects their reputation. I wouldn't knock their packages, but toying with NA does reflect the consequences with budget. We have certainly setup some cars for NA and it obviously shows that the bolt-ons are simply not enough to plaster numbers on the board. The true benefit with this particular setup or our proposed setups are sustainability, repeatability, and reliability. Notice they choose only high quality parts and not crap parts for their packages. It takes a nice budget to play with the good stuff.

[Brinks]

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[akyp]

At least their air filters are reasonably priced.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Insurme1

I've been a fan of F1 for a long time and Cosworth has always been a major player there, which is impressive.

If you were, you would know that's not true.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by abraxis

If you were, you would know that's not true.

Shots fired.

On another note, it's impressive Cosworth was able to get 230HP out of the crank. That's assuming a very healthy dyno.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by CSG David

On another note, it's impressive Cosworth was able to get 230HP out of the crank. That's assuming a very healthy dyno.

Isn't 190-200 whp the norm now for a headerback exhaust + drop-in filter + tune on pump gas? That should be about 225-235 hp at the crank.

If so, Cosworth getting 230 hp out of those parts + intake manifold doesn't really surprise me, although the price is certainly a shocker

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Isn't 190-200 whp the norm now for a headerback exhaust + drop-in filter + tune on pump gas? That should be about 225-235 hp at the crank.

If so, Cosworth getting 230 hp out of those parts + intake manifold doesn't really surprise me, although the price is certainly a shocker

Intake manifold looks like a typo. I think it's a ceramic coated header that they were discussing. It simply doesn't make sense as working on the intake manifold actually requires quite a bit of funding to do.

I suspect the actual power ratings are closer to 220HP and not 230HP. I mean our baseline dyno was a 177HP for our BRZ on a dynapack that translates power to the flywheel, not at the wheel. Getting a 197HP value on the dyno seems to be extremely lucky. Same dyno will laydown 240HP numbers for my S2000 so I know it's rather consistent with the range of values.