OFT - Example alternate maps for AT, 98RON, E85, MAF Scales

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

You want to find out where the IAM is dropping to locate the problem areas. If you're running different AVCS maps its likely the timing maps will need to be different.

Using vgi's tool with a couple of added columns and formulas its easy to diagnose what the cause is.

@Kodename47, I'm sure it's easy once it's setup and familiar. The problem is, in your knock correction post, the instructions are too condensed for me to figure out, and aren't written with OFT terms, so they have to be first understood, then translated into OFT terms. So, I haven't figured it out yet.

@Wayno, I've copied the only late stage v68 91 Octane table I could find in your files, from a UEL 91 Octane B01D ROM, only to find, on comparison, it's identical to the stage 2 OFT OTS timing maps. I wanted to copy your 98 RON timing map specifically because you went to so much work to optimize it. I have copied the OFT OTS stage 2 91 Octane map to my current tune to try it out, but I think I'm going to get knock. Here's a pic, (WW 3.6), of just how much more advanced that is versus the flattened base timing B map I'm running now. This is a comparison in RR of the OTS OFT stage 2 EL 91 Octane, versus your v33 flattened 91 Octane from awhile ago when you first started on adjusting your timing tables. the second pic, (NI 3.3), is your 98 RON map versus OFT's OTS stage 2 91 Octane map. As you can see, you've only pulled a little bit of timing from just a few places. I'll actually have more knock with the OFT OTS stage 2 91 Octane map,then I had with your 98 RON map. I must be getting a lot more compression with the AVCS changes I've made, which means, I've found the sweet spot where velocity meets valve timing to pack the most charge into the cylinders. Yeah!

[demonracer200d]

Will the stage 2 uel 98Ron run with my AT running 93 octane here in the US? Sorry not to familiar with any of this.

[Kodename47]

@KoolBRZ: Updated Knock Compensation Tool

[KoolBRZ]

Thank you for the attempt. Still not user friendly. I can't even paste the Base timing B map from RR into the table without it getting screwed up. I had to first paste into blank spreadsheet, then copy and paste the cell contents. "Using VGI's tool". Is that some other spreadsheet? Because there isn't any "log stats" tab at the bottom of this one. I could manually edit cells one at a time with less effort. This is still way to complicated for something designed to just pull timing from the cells that cause knock. All I'm asking for is a simple spreadsheet to paste my base timing table into, then paste my logs into, click go, copy the new table into RR and call it good. @Wayno, is this what you used to figure out your base timing?

[Wayno]

I didn't use any tools. As I said previously I analysed the total timing and smoothed out any lumps around where knock occurs. Cells where timing reduced are not necessarily where the knock occurs. I'm not familiar with the tools but I wouldn't expect them to be able to do this.

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by Wayno

I didn't use any tools. As I said previously I analysed the total timing and smoothed out any lumps around where knock occurs. Cells where timing reduced are not necessarily where the knock occurs. I'm not familiar with the tools but I wouldn't expect them to be able to do this.

I've used the timing from your latest 98 RON tune to add back into my v33 map. I figure it wasn't knocking below .3 load, so I started by pasting the first three columns in with RomRaider. Then I made tunes 0-.4, 0-.5, 0-.6, 0-.7 and etc. all the way up to 0-1.4, which has every column, so it would be identical. I've tried out tunes all the way up to .7 load so far without reducing my IAM, so I'm going to keep loading tunes till I get enough knock to pull IAM, then I'm going to log and analyse where it's coming from. I'm pretty sure it happened between .8 and 1.2 engine load, so I'm probably going to be logging knock tomorrow. @Wayno, when you talk about lumps in the map, you're talking about the 3d view right?

[chickencornsoup]

Hi Wayno

Can I use your Stg2 UEL 98 v76 A01G.bin map to my manual 86 using home blend (+10% E85) fuel?

Thank you for all the good work Wayno, Steve99, Ztan

[Wayno]

Originally Posted by chickencornsoup

Hi Wayno

Can I use your Stg2 UEL 98 v76 A01G.bin map to my manual 86 using home blend (+10% E85) fuel?

Thank you for all the good work Wayno, Steve99, Ztan

Yes

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Thank you for the attempt. Still not user friendly. I can't even paste the Base timing B map from RR into the table without it getting screwed up. I had to first paste into blank spreadsheet, then copy and paste the cell contents. "Using VGI's tool". Is that some other spreadsheet? Because there isn't any "log stats" tab at the bottom of this one. I could manually edit cells one at a time with less effort. This is still way to complicated for something designed to just pull timing from the cells that cause knock. All I'm asking for is a simple spreadsheet to paste my base timing table into, then paste my logs into, click go, copy the new table into RR and call it good. @Wayno, is this what you used to figure out your base timing?

VGI's tool, you know, the one you use to scale MAFs with: Linky

You probably have the copy/paste in Romraider set to default. To set to a more normal paste format:
Edit > Romraider Settings > Clipboard > Airboys Spreadsheet

To just paste in a log will be a relatively hard thing to do without the spreadsheet size being massive. I can use this from log to result in a couple of minutes, I like the visibility of using VGIs tool. You can't just adjust for all cells that are showing any retard as that's not necessarily the way the ECU works. The other nice thing about using VGI's utility is that you can then also set up further filters, like removing data from high gears.

[solidONE]

Man... I've only been MIA for a little bit and you guys making crazy progress. Good shit guys!

[mid_life_crisis]

Okay, I'm going to have to bite the bullet and ask for extremely basic help with this. Keeping in mind that I have successfully altered and flashed Shiv's tunes before, I have no clue what to do with these files. I've downloaded and extracted them, I've got RomRaider open, but I have no clue how to either open these so I can preview them or how to convert them to something I can flash to a stage one U.S. petrol automatic.
I'm pretty sure I have RR pointing to the right definition, but nothing I do will open an actual tune for review. I keep getting errors that the definition was not found or there is a mismatch.
There must be instructions somewhere, but I'm so frustrated with myself right now that I can't think straight to mount a decent search for them.
If someone could please point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated.

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

Okay, I'm going to have to bite the bullet and ask for extremely basic help with this. Keeping in mind that I have successfully altered and flashed Shiv's tunes before, I have no clue what to do with these files. I've downloaded and extracted them, I've got RomRaider open, but I have no clue how to either open these so I can preview them or how to convert them to something I can flash to a stage one U.S. petrol automatic.
I'm pretty sure I have RR pointing to the right definition, but nothing I do will open an actual tune for review. I keep getting errors that the definition was not found or there is a mismatch.
There must be instructions somewhere, but I'm so frustrated with myself right now that I can't think straight to mount a decent search for them.
If someone could please point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated.

First tell me the last four digits of the CAL ID for your car in OpenFlash Manager, so I can help you. Then check the CAL ID of the definition file in RR. If you have a D00D ID the definition file is missing from OFT's latest download, so you'll have to get it from shiv, or from wayno's downloads.

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

First tell me the last four digits of the CAL ID for your car in OpenFlash Manager, so I can help you. Then check the CAL ID of the definition file in RR. If you have a D00D ID the definition file is missing from OFT's latest download, so you'll have to get it from shiv, or from wayno's downloads.

Right now I have Shiv's current tune open in RomRaider.
I can't figure out how to open Wayno's. Are they complete tunes or just tables that need to be created and pasted into an existing tune?
My car uses "A01D" files.


Edit: I found RR_ZA1JA01D.xml in Wayno's downloads, which looks like the definition I should be using. The only stage 1 definition I can find is "Stg1 98 v78 A01I.bin", which doesn't look right to me and won't open anyway.
I really want to try these improvements for the A/T vehicles and don't mind editing the values into Shiv's tune, but I can't even get Wayno's to open so I can copy them.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

Right now I have Shiv's current tune open in RomRaider.
I can't figure out how to open Wayno's. Are they complete tunes or just tables that need to be created and pasted into an existing tune?
My car uses "A01D" files.


Edit: I found RR_ZA1JA01D.xml in Wayno's downloads, which looks like the definition I should be using. The only stage 1 definition I can find is "Stg1 98 v78 A01I.bin", which doesn't look right to me and won't open anyway.
I really want to try these improvements for the A/T vehicles and don't mind editing the values into Shiv's tune, but I can't even get Wayno's to open so I can copy them.

Wayno's ROM's are A01I so you will need an A01I definition to open his ROM

Than you will need your A01D ROM and an A01D def to open that

Open both ROM's in Romraider and copy/paste the changes from wayno A01I into your ROM the A01D

You will likely find that the OFT A01D defs are not as up to date as the A01I defs wayno is using so your probably going to be missing a few tables.



Check your work

flash to car.