2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Borchert97]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Are you saying the bolded group will or will not buy the Supra?

Probably will not, some people just don't want the hassle and cost of owning a BMW. Especially not in something called a Toyota.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Are you saying the bolded group will or will not buy the Supra?

I would think the german group don't want to drive this sacrilegious Japanese rebadge (cuz its a sacrilegious Japanese rebadge), while the ones avoiding the German cars wont get it cuz its not a Japanese car because "reliability".

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Isn't the BMW logo a propeller? That's kind of a fan, right?



Wait, you prefer the actual frankenstein OEM mish-mash kit car (GS/IS-offspring RC) because the Supra looks like a mish-mash kit car?

Yes

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Borchert97

The 86 is good power for its price though, the only car it really outright loses to in it's price point and class is the WRX, which is still a heavy enough car that the weight gain almost makes up the power-to-weight ratio difference.

The Supra on the other hand, straight up loses to the C7 Corvette, which makes 120hp more while weighting 200lbs less, the Corvette is also lower, offered in a manual, and a targa top. The Supra would probably perform amazingly for a car in the $40k price class, but at $50k, it auto-loses to the GT350 and the Corvette Stingray.

I think they did an excellent job of keeping it in a reasonable price point. I expected at least $60K from all the hype. Anybody that wanted a 'Vette of any trim level has had many decades in which to get one so I doubt the buyers don't overlap much anyway. You are so wrapped up in a numbers game you are totally disregarding emotions and the other realities of the human mind.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I just said it, fight me.

But for real, the new Supra makes me even more grateful for my FRS. I was starting to think the new Supra would tank my car's value, but now I think it might be the opposite....

I'm with you on this one(Besides the fact that we are probably biased).

Unless of course that 4 cyl comes over here and somehow decides it wants to be competitive in price per performance and manual.

...But then we also have the kind of wild card of 2021 BRZ/86 ???¿¿¿

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think they did an excellent job of keeping it in a reasonable price point. I expected at least $60K from all the hype. Anybody that wanted a 'Vette of any trim level has had many decades in which to get one so I doubt the buyers don't overlap much anyway. You are so wrapped up in a numbers game you are totally disregarding emotions and the other realities of the human mind.

That 60k+ CAD though... I cry

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

That 60k+ CAD though... I cry

I haven't seen what the Canadian price is yet but it won't be the American price with exchange applied to it. That just isn't how it works.

[Borchert97]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think they did an excellent job of keeping it in a reasonable price point. I expected at least $60K from all the hype. Anybody that wanted a 'Vette of any trim level has had many decades in which to get one so I doubt the buyers don't overlap much anyway. You are so wrapped up in a numbers game you are totally disregarding emotions and the other realities of the human mind.

I'm not disregarding anything. The car is beautiful, and it LOOKS like a Supra. But no manual and no Toyota power plant completely goes against the iconic Supra formula. Now, I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with the BMW engine, as I can understand from a logical perspective, that cost savings is what gives us cars like the 86 and Supra and partnerships are a great way to divide up the costs. That being said, the Supra is STILL an icon of performance and the primary market that "fanboys" about a Supra is the car enthusiast market of people driving manuals, just like our 86.

I think no manual, and the high price point are what causes the Supra to be a flop. If the car was offered in a manual and a starting point closer to $40k, this car would be an incredible success, despite the controversial BMW engine. I was going to get one if those two points were met and they weren't. It's a gorgeous car, and it'll probably be respectable in its OWN right, BUT, it's not a Supra and is not deserving of the name Supra other than looks, and looks alone does not qualify in my mind and in the minds of many.

[Pbrown]

that price in Canada works out to $64000 +13 %tax. My paid off FRS looks roughly the same and has what I covet most, manual transmission. Love the looks of the supra but will wait to see what options become available in the future. Was just as impressed with the STI S209. (341 hp) no mention of torque though.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I haven't seen what the Canadian price is yet but it won't be the American price with exchange applied to it. That just isn't how it works.

I account for the realistic price of taxes etc. There's no way you're taking one of those home for less than 60k here, I can't belieb.

[markm]

knobs and infotainment look they are supplied by BMW (their previous generation stuff)

But two disappointments for me: no analog tachometer and no manual gearbox. I really hate everybody going all digital nowadays, it makes sense on electric cars but...the new 992 design is like a perfect good balance.

[22R]

Nice looking but for my needs I will stick with my 86.
Hope they sell well.

22R

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Pbrown

that price in Canada works out to $64000 +13 %tax. My paid off FRS looks roughly the same and has what I covet most, manual transmission. Love the looks of the supra but will wait to see what options become available in the future. Was just as impressed with the STI S209. (341 hp) no mention of torque though.

That price in Canada means nothing. When the dollar goes up do the cars here go down in price? Yes it will be more here but not exchange rate more. Everything is more here but the prices are economy based on US$ based.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

I account for the realistic price of taxes etc. There's no way you're taking one of those home for less than 60k here, I can't belieb.

Taxes and extras will apply in the US as well so nobody is getting it for that price.