(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by soundman98

the new mustang is tickling my fancy. been quite sucessful in scca as well...

but it's a big boy.

First Mustang to have IRS!

Don't like the front end of the refresh models though. I prefer the earlier 2015 front ends which you can only now get with a Shelby (which I'd probably get anyway if I ever wanted a Mustang).

[soundman98]

The mustang has been getting progressively better looking every year to me

[Vracer111]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

First Mustang to have IRS!

The SVT Cobras and Cobra R had IRS 20+ years ago... before the GT350, the Cobra R would be the one mustang I always kind of secretly admired and they were fun to watch autocross and go around a roadcourse.



More of a Camaro fan over Mustang, but always been an import/lightweight car fan at heart over anything else - lightweight car with fully independent finely honed suspension trumps power and grip to me. My 2300lb '90 Integra RS was a blast to drive on track - liked to step out the rear and out accelerated my stripped down track '98 Camaro RS while handling circles around it even if it didn't seem have the ultimate steady state grip the Camaro did.

The stripped down '98 RS Camaro hardtop (absolutely lightest version of the 4th gen Camaro) on spherical bearing race suspension components with Koni adjustable shocks, wide DOT-R track rubber, and massive antiroll bars front and rear was a 3200lb pig that swore me off American 'performance'...no match for the effortless and nearly instant transients of the Integra RS. Brakes were absolutely phenominal on that RS Camaro though since they had the same system as the V8's starting in 98... with just Brembo rotors and Hawk HP+ pads it would absolutely slow down quick to a stop...absolutely thrown into the harness with the quick deceleration ... often would brake too much and have to get back on the gas for the corner... LOL

I find as a car approaches and surpasses 3000lbs my interest in it falls to ZERO rapidly. I'm fine with the first gen 86... though I would like to put mine on more of a diet (I've dropped ~50lbs off it from all minor stuff I've done over the years - want to go on a more concentrated effort where I can). If the second gen weight increases 100lbs or more I'd never consider it over a first gen - don't care what kind of power it makes, weight is and always will be the enemy for me.

The new civics are absolutely laughable to me....1,000lb gain and strut suspension is a far cry from the double wishbone civics of the '90s. I remember the first time I saw a new gen Civic parked next to my FR-S...honestly though it was an Accord until I saw the Civic badge... jaw dropped. To further put it in perspective, my '98 Toyota Tacoma weighed less than some of these new Civics... LOL

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

From my perspective they've sucked ass since the mid 90s. The frs wouldnt exist without Subaru. They still seem incapable of producing their own sports car.

But they can sure make some good selling appliances.

Pretty big blanketed statement considering the Corolla(best selling vehicle of all time),Camry,and Tacoma/Tundra. Not sure anyone would say any of those vehicles suck.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

From my perspective they've sucked ass since the mid 90s. The frs wouldnt exist without Subaru. They still seem incapable of producing their own sports car.

But they can sure make some good selling appliances.

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Pretty big blanketed statement considering the Corolla(best selling vehicle of all time),Camry,and Tacoma/Tundra. Not sure anyone would say any of those vehicles suck.

Ummmm ...That is what he said.

[WolfpackS2k]

Just a mention of cars that have gotten better after 1st (or preceding) generations

2nd Gen Boxster (987) > 1st Gen Boxster (986)
2nd Gen MR2 > 1st Gen MR2
3rd Gen RX7 > 1st & 2nd Gen RX7

Off top of my head. No point mentioning any domestic sports cars because those always improve with the latest generations.

[nextcar]

Hmm... how many doors on this "WRX STi" for 2021?

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Hmm... how many doors on this "WRX STi" for 2021?

Who cares? You know that we'll never see this car on the road. I say the shape of the grill, some form of scoop and rear wing will be the only items to carry over from this show car to the production cars.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Just a mention of cars that have gotten better after 1st (or preceding) generations

2nd Gen Boxster (987) > 1st Gen Boxster (986)
2nd Gen MR2 > 1st Gen MR2
3rd Gen RX7 > 1st & 2nd Gen RX7

Off top of my head. No point mentioning any domestic sports cars because those always improve with the latest generations.

Define better. I won't speak on the Boxster as I have no in depth knowledge of the car and it's history, but in the case of the MR2 and RX7, both got larger, heavier, and gained power. "Better" becomes quite subjective at that point.

Faster? Sure. Better? To certain people. It's worth noting that in both cases the 3rd gens took a weight reduction, and in the MR-2s case, power decrease as well.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Define better. I won't speak on the Boxster as I have no in depth knowledge of the car and it's history, but in the case of the MR2 and RX7, both got larger, heavier, and gained power. "Better" becomes quite subjective at that point.

Faster? Sure. Better? To certain people. It's worth noting that in both cases the 3rd gens took a weight reduction, and in the MR-2s case, power decrease as well.

Yep. The whole "better" thing is like beauty and is in the eye of the beholder.
The Second Gen 86 may come out as a totally monstrosity to the people that love the first gen and it will still have a large (and mostly different) group that will think it is miles "better".

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Hmm... how many doors on this "WRX STi" for 2021?

That thing has been floating around the internets for going on 5 years.

[Vides990]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Hmm... how many doors on this "WRX STi" for 2021?

4, lighting playing tricks...its old as others mentioned.

https://jalopnik.com/the-subaru-vizi...snt-1822024873

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

From my perspective they've sucked ass since the mid 90s. The frs wouldnt exist without Subaru. They still seem incapable of producing their own sports car.

But they can sure make some good selling appliances.

I'm not sure I'd agree with this.
Yes, Toyota from the 90s through till about the mid-aughts was a bland, soulless company of beancounters making cars, but it's hard to ignore the change in tone since Akio Toyoda took over.

Despite the financial crisis, and the move towards SUVs etc., Toyota still launched a few sports cars (LFA, LC, RC, 86, Supra) while also bringing more driver-oriented flavour to their regular models (seen a few positive reviews of the new Corolla, and even the CH-R from reviewers generally not too positive of Toyota). Even though some of these new sports cars required partnerships with other manufacturers, the fact that they got made at all (in a market that seems destined for domination by CUVs/SUVs, with low-volume niche products like sports cars seen as money-losing propositions) is a signal to me.

On the flip side, I feel like Subaru has lost a lot of its charm and identity (I feel like the bugeye WRX was the last time they really did something noteworthy) - the Forester, Outback, etc. are going more and more mainstream, and struggle to standout from the pack (not that I blame them for this - business is business).

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

That thing has been floating around the internets for going on 5 years.

& that design is coming to Levorg STI... let me tell ya, it's fugly


I'm not a fan of hex wheelwell to begin with. Just something bout it doesn't flow well from concept to (semi) final production.