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From Dynojet 93 octane innovate base tunes. As you can see there is more potential in the tune for that innovate car being compared. That is all.
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I'm very impressed with the power the vortechs are making these days.
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Do I go into Innovate threads and post Vortech dynos? What kind of thread jack is this anyway???
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A comparison was made by a tuner which showed a very low innovate curve overlayed onto a vortech curve. This comparison was made in your thread. There were questions as to why the innovate curve looked so crappy. I was just easing these concerns. /end thread jack
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Has invited me to a large dyno day in Phoenix. They are flying down FA20Club (Tony) to dyno and tune 12 cars. In that group will be Innovate and Vortech owners. Same tuner, same dyno should help answer plenty of questions. I will be doing interviews, tech, and side by side comparisons and of course showing some obvious differences between the two kits. Maybe settle this debate? Answer some questions I have about the Innovate kit some people sweep under the rug. (On a side note that Visconti dyno is BS comparing Innovate vs Vortech show more detail or don't bother stirring the pot. @sw20kosh Seen his logs and dynos and that's an unfair representation.)
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And in the interest of full disclosure, I happen to own a Vortech kit, am quite content with it, but I felt the cherry picked graphs were less than useful. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 |
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As I said I can arrange specific dynos if needed. I was going to upgrade to a smaller pulley & E85 as I saw a few people recently post dynos (with little info) comparing the kits. But I can arrange something if people want comparisons of different bits. Donations for dyno time more than welcome... lol
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Sorry. I'm just grumpy today...carry on!
*EDIT: more grumpiness. It's not like we are so one sided and only know one thing (centrifugals). We own a twin-screw brand (Lysholm Technologies). We know what their strengths and weaknesses are. When I posted about ΔT, I wasn't just pulling numbers out of the air. We would NEVER put a twin-screw on anything non-intercooled. Ever. Especially not a 12.5:1 N/A engine, and certainly not ever with no IAT sensor closely monitoring temps post-blower. No matter how cool something might seem, you cannot wish away data and safety margins to save a few bucks. Last edited by Brian@Vortech; 08-07-2013 at 06:05 PM. |
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Still waiting for the innovate to go over 300whp on 93 or e85. Both have disadvantages and perks. Heck lets see an innovate vs vortech drag or autocross at same power levels. Ans then we can all butt hurt about driver ability or clutch and tire wear. Time to bring in the STIG...... Some say he has a tattoo of his face on his....face And that he once passed a bar exam whilst juggling chainsaws
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(Innovate Owners Please do not have a stroke) I asked for a demo unit to test compare from Adam. Got shot down, which is fine, no biggy. So I ordered one... Then talked to 3 different tuners about the kit and they mirrored what Brian said.
I cancelled my order, because these questions had vague answers even from Innovate which basically said, don't worry about heat, the twin screw only rotates at 12,000RPM max which does not generate enough heat. When asked for temp info to back that up, they did NOT test the kit monitoring intake air temps. Innovate also has some of the worst transparency in terms of forum and internet data I have seen. The fact I can get more quality information from owners is not comforting. I will gladly retract my statements and change my opinion when these questions are answered with facts. It's not an Innovate vs. issue its an Innovate issue.
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