Test drove a 2014 BRZ...not worth $20,000

[Annahra]

Originally Posted by dizzario

The point is this is the internet and if we're talking about fucking retarded threads on this forum this is definitely NOT the worst.

The tolerance for the fucking retardness of a thread is in direct proportion to its entertainment value. This thread isn't yet very entertaining. I see potential though!

[Tcoat]

Since I doubt we will see any pictures that prove the "soarer" exists I took the liberty of posting the OP's choice for Inexpensive Sports car of the Year!

[axelo]

I really don't care what he thinks about the twins, and shouldn't anybody in their sane state of mind... i wouldn't go to a mustang's forum to write how much i don't like them and try to be smart about it because that what a***s do....he is the one that is missing out jajaja

[jebuwh]

Xt=turd.

Soarer=cool boat.

Stopped reading after tpms. Troll.

Thread sucks.

[tyrantcf]

Troll. Implying the MT in a Soarer is better LOL

[bcj]

tl;dr

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

So I went from an E46 M3 to an FRS (which actually oversteers more then the BRZ) exactly because it did the very thing you're complaining about.

The FT86 platform car's aren't like AWD cars (or most RWD cars for that matter). When driven correctly they rotate. The front end digs in and the rear slips out a little. Here's a car that damn near does exactly what you tell it to do. You have to manage weight transfer with this car. The only reason why that rear end stepped out was because either you were transferring weight forward (stepping on the brakes / lifting off the throttle) or you didn't transfer enough weight back.

When you screw up driving this car it lets you know and it does so in a way that dosen't kill you. It's exposes the the ability (or lack thereof) of the driver.

Every AWD car I've ever driven understeers. Even car's like M3's and 370z's have some understeer built into them because very few drivers know how to safely manage oversteer. Subaru added understeer to the BRZ because they felt their customers would prefer a car that behaved a little more like an AWD car. Eventually Toyota did the same with the GT86/FR-S for the 2015 model year.



I think you should buy a used BRZ. Leave the suspension alone, buy some stickier tires of the same size (for your safety) and learn how to drive it.

The E93 M3 oversteers like a mofo if you switch TC off... just saying... lol

Difference in power to the FR-S I guess...

[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

The E93 M3 oversteers like a mofo if you switch TC off... just saying... lol

Difference in power to the FR-S I guess...

Confirmed. I was driving my buddy's and didn't know TC was fully disabled and we were in launch mode...

Much fun so smoke many sideways such smile.

[suaveflooder]

LOL @ this thread. Trolling at it's finest.

[Vracer111]

I want all the time I spent in this thread back...

But to answer the OP's questions, because I just feel like it:

QUESTIONS for you modded BRZ & FRS owners
1. How much better does the Street handling GRIP improve on your FRS / BRZ's when you add say 17x9 rear wheels with 255 tires and 17x8 front wheels with 245 wide tires?

2. With the above tire and basic accompanying suspension mods (like coilovers and minimum bushings), how much better is the drive experience with a turbo kit making ~300-320whp on the street?

Answers the OP deserves:

1. You wouldn't improve handling doing that as much as you would doing the following - decrease tire size from stock to 205/45-17 on Max Performance tires and change wheels to a lightweight 17x7.5 +40 to +45 fitment all around. Less unsprung weight with grippier tire compounds lead to an agile car that grips and changes direction so fast it will blow your concept of the deForester being a sports car out of the water as the FR-S passes it from the outside of a high speed, decreasing radius turn.... (passing on the inside would probably be safer for the FRS though as the deForester understeers and starts plowing out (and earning it's name) from going too fast trying to keep up... that's the beauty of AWD.

2. No changes to suspension really needed with a power upgrade... There are other ways to make the ride quality better without even touching the factory suspension (mainly strut tower brace and reduction in unsprung weight...) I'm still running the paltry factory power levels that are absolutely abysmal (who in their right mind accepts 200hp in cars these days, doesn't matter how light they are...hp is hp!), but I'd imagine 300HP to the wheels would make it a whole other experience and absolutely blow my mind.

But I wouldn't waste my time with 300HP when you could put a 2JZ in it (sourced from a Soarer perhaps...) and have an excellent daily driver with 600hp. Because 600hp is probably just about perfect for a daily driver vehicle. Though I will say even with the abysmal stock power levels I have received 2 speeding tickets in the last 2 1/2 years (I'm serious - the car actually is fast enough, just barely though, to get speeding tickets - stock(ish)! I'm freaking AMAZED it can do that with it's pathetic stock(ish) hp and torque level!) A 600hp FRS would be great for that Bugatti Veyron that is always challenging me at the stop light drags - keep telling him to hold his horses, my 2JZ-GTE hasn't come in yet...race war demands have put them on back order for quite a while now.

[kavanagh]

Race war. That made me laugh.

[ashtray]

Originally Posted by Sony

5. The car comes with tires off a Prius stock on purpose for your drifting pleasure. Switch them out with a set of rims and some Max/Extreme Performance Summer Tires and you will have plenty of grip. I have 225/40 R18 Hankook Ventus V12's on my car and they grip like no ones business. I can't even break the tires lose anymore unless I REALLY try.


1. As I said before....better tires change the car dramatically. If you want more grip, getting a set of good performance tires is pretty much the best and easiest thing you can do. The car came with Prius tires stock for a reason, to make the car drift happy and easy to drift. If you're more into the road and track portion of this car then swapping the tires out is a must.

Just wait till those V12 wear down! I replaced my 6,500 mile Primacy's with a set of V12's on Rotas (bought as a set used, price paid basically for used rims bc tires were worn). I decided to test how much grip worn V12's had against the slippery stock Primacy's - dorifto city!! OMG, I want to keep the V12's on a spare set of rims just to go sideways! Zero grip. Makes the Primacy's feel like glue - which they're far from it. (I have Pilot SS on my other car and their grip is incredible.).

The Primacy's scream when you get the back end loose - alerting LEO within a mile radius. The V12's are silent as they glide across the SoCal dry roads like they were covered in fresh winter powder.

My V12's are stock sized though on a 7.75" rim, so slightly lower profile. Pilot SS will make their way on to my car at some point.


To the OP, if you are serious, then your concerns have been addressed above in the replies. Find another car for $25-30k new that is lightweight and handles and has a great aftermarket support to transform the car into anything from mild to wild. That said, you can buy a used Corvette for $25-30k that will wipe the floor with the BRZ even after mods. There's a total package thing about the BRZ, and especially for those of us who want a back seat, or go to pick up a set of 4 wheels off Craigslist/NASIOC, the BRZ makes a very fun DD that will put a smile on your face at legal speeds. I'm sure the Forester XT, 600hp Soarer, and Corvette have a tough time being fun at 35mph. (This coming from an owner of a 300hp WRX, a 450hp BMW M/Dinan, and someone who has lots of wheel time in C5 and C6 Vettes. All those cars don't get fun until 80mph+. The BMW is a hoot at 120+, but over engineered for legal speeds. I've got $40k in mods in the BMW, and aside from a large track, there's no place to really use that for more than a second or two on the streets. The BRZ in completely stock form is more fun to drive than the other two cars I have.)

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by kavanagh

Confirmed. I was driving my buddy's and didn't know TC was fully disabled and we were in launch mode...

Much fun so smoke many sideways such smile.

I just dump the clutch and put the hammer down



^graphic description of when I pulled out of the dealership last week

[EAGLE5]

OP wrote, "I like the 'glued-to-the-ground' driving feeling of... my turbo Forester".

I LOL'd.