Camber for street tires? Should I mess with the camber plates to avoid destroying my - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Tomyyyu · 09-25-2023, 08:35 PM

Picked up a set of DWS 06 Plus A/S to drive to and from events and also to drive as a daily (GR86/BRZ). I work from home, so don’t drive that much. Maybe 10-15k a year if even.

Currently have my toe fixed to (-0.10) so toe out, and toe in the rear (0.20+). And my camber is about -5 on the front and -2.5 on the rear.

I have read that toe is the biggest item for tire wear. The car is on camber plates so I can change the camber for dailying but that impacts my toe.

I’m wondering if driving around with that amount of camber is alright, or I’ll just chew through the tires? Glad to not be driving on 200TW during rainy season.

Should I just pull back the camber via the camber plates when swapping tires back to all seasons after autocross?

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e1_griego · 09-25-2023, 08:43 PM

I think I replied to you on reddit, too.

Just pull camber out at the plate. It'll be fine.

ZDan · 09-26-2023, 07:45 AM

Why do you have -5 anyway? I don't think running -3.5 would cost you much if anything in terms of front grip. 0.4* rear toe-in is probably actually worse on your tires tho. Is it "front toe-out for turn-in, and buncha rear toe-in for 'stability'"? Why not just run zero all around?

foshjowler · 09-26-2023, 08:03 AM

I run -4* front with 0 toe and -2.3* rear with .07 toe, and haven't noticed any major tire wear issue, but I don't put a ton of miles on not autox tires.

autoracer86 · 09-26-2023, 12:31 PM

I would zero out the front toe and even dial back the rear toe a bit. Really no need to run all that front camber during the off season but shouldn't be a problem either.

Does your car tram line a lot ? That is normally the major downsize to a lot of front camber. The car just gets pulled around on bad road surfaces

DocWalt · 09-26-2023, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

Why do you have -5 anyway? I don't think running -3.5 would cost you much if anything in terms of front grip. 0.4* rear toe-in is probably actually worse on your tires tho. Is it "front toe-out for turn-in, and buncha rear toe-in for 'stability'"? Why not just run zero all around?

My car had noticeably more front grip even going from -4.5 to -4.9 degrees, YMMV depending on tire and other setup decisions though.

DocWalt · 09-26-2023, 04:10 PM

OP, I run -4.9/-2.6 daily driven. 0 front toe, 0.3 ish degrees of total rear toe in.

Inside edges of the front wear more than I'd like on the street but as I mentioned above, I needed the camber to make the front work better.

If I wasn't lazy I'd just slide the camber plates out between events... but I'm too lazy to even swap tires so... I don't. The toe isn't affected *that* much by the camber plates either, BTW. Try it and see how little it changes.

ZionsWrath · 09-27-2023, 06:46 AM

If you start getting inner wear just take the exits faster

09-25-2023, 08:35 PM	#1
Tomyyyu Member Join Date: May 2023 Drives: Posts: 31 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Camber for street tires? Should I mess with the camber plates to avoid destroying my Picked up a set of DWS 06 Plus A/S to drive to and from events and also to drive as a daily (GR86/BRZ). I work from home, so don’t drive that much. Maybe 10-15k a year if even. Currently have my toe fixed to (-0.10) so toe out, and toe in the rear (0.20+). And my camber is about -5 on the front and -2.5 on the rear. I have read that toe is the biggest item for tire wear. The car is on camber plates so I can change the camber for dailying but that impacts my toe. I’m wondering if driving around with that amount of camber is alright, or I’ll just chew through the tires? Glad to not be driving on 200TW during rainy season. Should I just pull back the camber via the camber plates when swapping tires back to all seasons after autocross? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-26-2023, 08:03 AM	#4
foshjowler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Drives: 2022 BRZ; 2014 BRZ Location: North Carolina Posts: 156 Thanks: 3 Thanked 83 Times in 57 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I run -4* front with 0 toe and -2.3* rear with .07 toe, and haven't noticed any major tire wear issue, but I don't put a ton of miles on not autox tires. __________________ 2022 BRZ 2014 BRZ 1991 Miata Autox Videos

09-26-2023, 12:31 PM	#5
autoracer86 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Drives: Toyota GT86 Location: Ireland Posts: 437 Thanks: 382 Thanked 287 Times in 186 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would zero out the front toe and even dial back the rear toe a bit. Really no need to run all that front camber during the off season but shouldn't be a problem either. Does your car tram line a lot ? That is normally the major downsize to a lot of front camber. The car just gets pulled around on bad road surfaces __________________ 2014 GT86 Orange 6 Speed https://www.youtube.com/@spareroomracing3168/featured Build Thread: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153004 Last edited by autoracer86; 09-26-2023 at 04:34 PM.

09-26-2023, 04:10 PM	#7
DocWalt Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: '22 BRZ Location: PA Posts: 1,833 Thanks: 2,299 Thanked 1,472 Times in 767 Posts Mentioned: 24 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	OP, I run -4.9/-2.6 daily driven. 0 front toe, 0.3 ish degrees of total rear toe in. Inside edges of the front wear more than I'd like on the street but as I mentioned above, I needed the camber to make the front work better. If I wasn't lazy I'd just slide the camber plates out between events... but I'm too lazy to even swap tires so... I don't. The toe isn't affected that much by the camber plates either, BTW. Try it and see how little it changes. __________________ - Ken. H DocWalt's WRB 2013 BRZ Build Thread \| DocWalt's 2022 WRB BRZ Build Thread

09-27-2023, 06:46 AM	#8
ZionsWrath Thanks Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 4,163 Thanks: 5,989 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,498 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	If you start getting inner wear just take the exits faster __________________

09-25-2023, 08:43 PM	#2
e1_griego Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Drives: Many Location: Independence, Ore. Posts: 704 Thanks: 227 Thanked 391 Times in 235 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I think I replied to you on reddit, too. Just pull camber out at the plate. It'll be fine.

09-26-2023, 07:45 AM	#3
ZDan Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: '23 BRZ Location: Providence, RI Posts: 4,584 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,891 Times in 2,032 Posts Mentioned: 85 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Why do you have -5 anyway? I don't think running -3.5 would cost you much if anything in terms of front grip. 0.4* rear toe-in is probably actually worse on your tires tho. Is it "front toe-out for turn-in, and buncha rear toe-in for 'stability'"? Why not just run zero all around?

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