In praise of the FT86 rear seats, your vote? - Page 6 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

rennlistuser3 · 07-11-2019, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I agree with all that you wrote. It is the other posts that ignore the rates are based on hard stats and just assume that because it is coupe then everybody that buys one are automatically considered a higher risk.

The driver risk groups are totally separate from the car model risk groups. That is why I pay $400 a year while an 18 year old dude next door with 2 accidents and 12 tickets pays $6,000.

Might it possibly be a historic thing?

Say in the 70s or something when things were less data driven and a bit more on the empirical, there might have been more truth to this 2+2 insurance stuff and the "legend" lived on sort to say to this day?

rennlistuser3 · 07-11-2019, 10:01 PM

OP here

I am very surprised that to this post right now, less than 13% say they hate the rear seats and wish they weren't there while a staggering over 30% say it's a big purchase factor!!

Car journalists should stick it and shut up about these rear seats. They are very functional. They've been very functional for the Porsche 911 for decades and they're not disappearing as a strong case of an example. This is bad journalism in my opinion.

86MLR · 07-11-2019, 11:02 PM

Car journalists are generally ignorant idiots with a personal agenda.

Kinda like me.....

Tcoat · 07-12-2019, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rennlistuser3

OP here

I am very surprised that to this post right now, less than 13% say they hate the rear seats and wish they weren't there while a staggering over 30% say it's a big purchase factor!!

Car journalists should stick it and shut up about these rear seats. They are very functional. They've been very functional for the Porsche 911 for decades and they're not disappearing as a strong case of an example. This is bad journalism in my opinion.

It has always been data driven. It was just done by rooms full of people not computers.

ZDan · 07-12-2019, 01:48 PM

I like the practicality, but since I never put people back there, only stuff, I would prefer it if they maintained most of the space but moved the rear wheels forward about 10". This would eliminate the possibility of +2 seats due to wheelwell intrusion, but would shorten the wheelbase for more nimble handling while also improving the weight distribution from ~54/46 to 50/50.

I really think they should keep the 86/BRZ as 2+2 models but add shorter-wheelbase 2-seaters as described above to the lineup. They could call the Toyota the 2000GT

That would be close to the perfect modern sports car for me.

Yoshoobaroo · 07-12-2019, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan

I like the practicality, but since I never put people back there, only stuff, I would prefer it if they maintained most of the space but moved the rear wheels forward about 10". This would eliminate the possibility of +2 seats due to wheelwell intrusion, but would shorten the wheelbase for more nimble handling while also improving the weight distribution from ~54/46 to 50/50.

I really think they should keep the 86/BRZ as 2+2 models but add shorter-wheelbase 2-seaters as described above to the lineup. They could call the Toyota the 2000GT

That would be close to the perfect modern sports car for me.

Sounds like a Miata.

ZDan · 07-12-2019, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Sounds like a Miata.

Fixed roof + bigger/more utility. A 2-seat version of the 86 wouldn't be "a Miata"...

rennlistuser3 · 07-12-2019, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It has always been data driven. It was just done by rooms full of people not computers.

Hard to argue against a cool picture like that one

rennlistuser3 · 07-14-2019, 08:09 PM

Looks like this thread has run its course

One last comment I wanted to add which forgot to earlier

When I say I like throwing things in the back seat, it's not only for extra cargo space. It's that those back seats are very well concealed and most would not even think that there were back seats there let alone having something worth stealing.

This for me personally is advantage over putting things in the trunk where they're less handy or putting them on the passenger seat where they are very visible and very enticing for thieves.

Thanks everyone who participating. Discussions like this thread are always fruitful.

NCtoBRZ · 07-14-2019, 10:22 PM

So nearly 90% of respondents either love or like the back seats... I would say Toyobaru made the right decision by including back seats.

why? · 07-15-2019, 08:10 AM

many US states use your credit rating as a far too large factor in your auto insurance.

I generally don't care about the rear seats, took them out a couple years ago.

jlyle114 · 08-11-2019, 01:22 AM

I like the rear seats. I have given rides to my smaller friends and they fit just fine. Some prefer to take their shoes off and get comfy.

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View Poll Results: Thoughts on FT86 rear seats
Love them, big purchase factor	34	30.63%
OK with them, not a big purchase factor	63	56.76%
Hate them, wish they weren't there	14	12.61%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

07-11-2019, 11:02 PM	#73
86MLR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto Location: Sydney Posts: 2,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Car journalists are generally ignorant idiots with a personal agenda. Kinda like me..... __________________ Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311 I'm only here for the biscuits

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07-11-2019, 10:01 PM	#72
rennlistuser3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ Location: Somewhere in the world Posts: 333 Thanks: 366 Thanked 177 Times in 107 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	OP here I am very surprised that to this post right now, less than 13% say they hate the rear seats and wish they weren't there while a staggering over 30% say it's a big purchase factor!! Car journalists should stick it and shut up about these rear seats. They are very functional. They've been very functional for the Porsche 911 for decades and they're not disappearing as a strong case of an example. This is bad journalism in my opinion.

07-12-2019, 01:48 PM	#75
ZDan Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: '23 BRZ Location: Providence, RI Posts: 4,584 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,891 Times in 2,032 Posts Mentioned: 85 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I like the practicality, but since I never put people back there, only stuff, I would prefer it if they maintained most of the space but moved the rear wheels forward about 10". This would eliminate the possibility of +2 seats due to wheelwell intrusion, but would shorten the wheelbase for more nimble handling while also improving the weight distribution from ~54/46 to 50/50. I really think they should keep the 86/BRZ as 2+2 models but add shorter-wheelbase 2-seaters as described above to the lineup. They could call the Toyota the 2000GT That would be close to the perfect modern sports car for me.

07-14-2019, 08:09 PM	#79
rennlistuser3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ Location: Somewhere in the world Posts: 333 Thanks: 366 Thanked 177 Times in 107 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Looks like this thread has run its course One last comment I wanted to add which forgot to earlier When I say I like throwing things in the back seat, it's not only for extra cargo space. It's that those back seats are very well concealed and most would not even think that there were back seats there let alone having something worth stealing. This for me personally is advantage over putting things in the trunk where they're less handy or putting them on the passenger seat where they are very visible and very enticing for thieves. Thanks everyone who participating. Discussions like this thread are always fruitful.

07-14-2019, 10:22 PM	#80
NCtoBRZ Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ PP WRB Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 383 Thanks: 71 Thanked 206 Times in 128 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So nearly 90% of respondents either love or like the back seats... I would say Toyobaru made the right decision by including back seats.

07-15-2019, 08:10 AM	#81
why? Only happy when it rains. Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: series.blue Location: Harnett county NC Posts: 1,995 Thanks: 5,698 Thanked 1,263 Times in 749 Posts Mentioned: 25 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	many US states use your credit rating as a far too large factor in your auto insurance. I generally don't care about the rear seats, took them out a couple years ago.

08-11-2019, 01:22 AM	#82
jlyle114 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Drives: Toyota 86 Location: Arizona Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I like the rear seats. I have given rides to my smaller friends and they fit just fine. Some prefer to take their shoes off and get comfy. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

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