Unofficial - CEL/SL/Idle Issue List for FR-S/BRZ Owners

[jduffy]

Originally Posted by mlrsguy1982

hate this damn car but love it at the same time.. sorry for the venting guys lol

Sorry for your misery man and I hope you get a settlement you're happy with.

BTW what Subaru dealer are you working with? If I get the same problems as you would you suggest I go there to get it resolved?

[mlrsguy1982]

Originally Posted by jduffy

Sorry for your misery man and I hope you get a settlement you're happy with.

BTW what Subaru dealer are you working with? If I get the same problems as you would you suggest I go there to get it resolved?

Honestly bro, Timmons Subaru is very short staff and cant even schedule a oil change to save my life. Hell they dont even have a scan tool for the BRZ they sold me. They gave me some BS excuse on how there only scan tool broke and that its going to be weeks before they get another one.. South Coast Subaru had my car for 3 weeks the first time and while they had it, they "my service advisors" ignored most my calls and just transferred me to some rook that just started working outta high school. Im starting to think subie dealers are a bunch of lazy retards collecting a paycheck doing absolutly nothing at all to serve there customers.

I really think what "Lonewolf" said in the message before this one was a great piece of info.. If anyone that owns a BRZ or FRS has any of the related problems with there cars, we need to turn the heat up on subie and toyota of america and others mentioned.. Only way this will get fixed is by doing this.. Either sit on the couch and watch tv or get up make a phone call and say something related to u and ur car on how it makes u feel.. This is a great site that unites all of us based on our car and interest. I guarantee that once calls start rolling in something is gonna happen.. Good Luck...

[hampersnow]

Originally Posted by mlrsguy1982

I really think what "Lonewolf" said in the message before this one was a great piece of info.. If anyone that owns a BRZ or FRS has any of the related problems with there cars, we need to turn the heat up on subie and toyota of america and others mentioned.. Only way this will get fixed is by doing this.. Either sit on the couch and watch tv or get up make a phone call and say something related to u and ur car on how it makes u feel.. This is a great site that unites all of us based on our car and interest. I guarantee that once calls start rolling in something is gonna happen.. Good Luck...

I do not own this car and I did call Toyota to let them know that these issues being discussed online are keeping me from making a purchase. People need to complain till they are blue in the face. With the way this car has been selling both companies have little incentive to solve this problem quickly. Whether it was the Toyota rep or the people at my local Richmond Virginia dealership, all I keep hearing is "don't believe everything you read on the web". I can't believe this forum is a conspiracy to destroy Toyota/Suburu's reputation BUT people need to call everyone they can, complain as loud as they can, if possible get the media involved. The people who stand to make money from these cars do not believe you, and as a prospective buyer I've heard this over and over.

[buzzman]

Originally Posted by eurospeed

Folks, my goal is to document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I feel it will be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

BACKGROUND
While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your engine control unit (ECU) should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018 or related cam codes).

Toyota and Subaru have developed various solutions for this issue which have not been consistent and may require multiple repairs or even vehicle replacement due to limited success. Repairs could include a combination of the following: replacing cam sprocket assemblies, replacing oil control valves, reflashing and/or replacing the ECU. To expedite service and express your concerns, be sure to contact the corporate customer service numbers below.

PHONE NUMBERS
Scion Customer Service: 866-707-2466
Subaru Customer Service: 800-782-2783

Automotive Magazines/Websites Reporting the Issue
Automobile Magazine (2012.October)
Automotive News (2012.October.03)
AUTOWEEK (2012.October.04) | AUTOWEEK Video (2012.October.05)
Motor Trend (2012.October.04)
autoblog (2012.October.05)
Jalopnik (2012.October.03)
Torque News (2012.October.04)
egmCarTech (2012.October.07)

Forums and Other Related Threads
BRZ CEL/Idle Video | FR-S CEL/Idle Video

Early FR-S Issue and Engine Failure | Another FR-S Engine Failure | FR-S on Fire
Idle Issues Thread | RPM Fluctuation Thread | Idle Issues in UK
CEL Thread #1 | CEL Thread #2 | CEL Thread #3 | CEL Thread #4 | CEL Thread #5

Please post the following if you are experiencing the CEL/idle issue:
username, model, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), status of repair [3 weeks - repaired, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.]

SALES VOLUME
Total Scion FR-S sales from launch including September 2012 = 7465
Total Subaru BRZ sales from launch including September 2012 = 2718
FR-S September sales = 1133
BRZ September sales = 508
FR-S August sales = 1913
BRZ August sales = 623
FR-S July sales = 1649
FR-S June sales = 2684

LIST OF AFFECTED VEHICLES
1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, 2 weeks - repaired, CT
2. TeamSweet86, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, 1100 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1100 mi, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, 7067XX, 3 weeks - repaired, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, 4 weeks - repaired, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, repaired, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, 4 weeks - repaired, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, 601XXX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, 1 week - repaired, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1130 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, FR-S, 250 mi, 7053XX, repaired, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, 5.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, 500 km, 6027XX, in shop, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, car replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
30. egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX, car replaced - engine not repairable, CA
31. whtchocla7e, FR-S, 8 mi, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CT
32. bazi, FR-S, 25 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, NC
33. choi0706, BRZ, 200 mi, 6027XX, 4 weeks - repaired (2 different ECUs), TX
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, catastrophic engine failure, OH
35. thejevans, FR-S, in shop, MD
36. DarkSunrise, FR-S, 120 mi, repaired, VA
37. White13frs, FR-S, 1100 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, TX
38. iheartartoo, FR-S, 110 mi, 7071XX, in shop, USA
39. Christina_Marie, FR-S, 40 mi, 7073XX, 3 weeks - repaired, MA
40. 2000blk, FR-S, 100 mi, 7079XX, in shop, MI
41. gdi2290, BRZ, 717 mi, 6027XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
42. FLASCH, FR-S, 400 mi, 7078XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CA
43. ninetysixzee, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7026XX, CA
44. governor, FR-S, 2069 km, 6 weeks - repaired, Canada
45. speedy_racer, FR-S, 335 mi, 6 weeks - repaired, NC
46. SubieNate, FR-S, 100 mi, in shop, CA
47. FBaxteR-S, FR-S, 30 km, Canada
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, car replaced - engine not repairable, UT
49. griffunitt, FR-S, 150 mi, 7088XX, 3 weeks - repaired, WI
50. TemeCal, FR-S, 425 mi, 7088XX, 5 weeks - repaired (3 different ECUs), CA
51. twinturba, FR-S, 1510 miles, 7059XX, CA
52. OmarGC, FR-S, 420mi, 7079XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MO
53. regal, FR-S, 20 mi, 7074XX, PA
54. pituala, FR-S, 900 mi, 7073XX, 3.5 weeks 1st repair - back in shop, FL
55. KingRohan, BRZ, 800 km, 6026XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
56. CharlieChaos, FR-S, 1843 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, RI
57. Ahz, FR-S, 2100 km, 7076XX, Canada
58. 714FR-s_guy, FR-S, 1500 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CA
59. michaelshull, FR-S, 4500 mi, 7037XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
60. Darweeezy, FR-S, 1200 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
61. Ridenslide, FR-S, 10 mi, not purchased, NM
62. 86'ing, FR-S, 865 mi, in shop, LA
63. invaliduser, FR-S, 9 mi, 1.5 weeks - repaired, LA
64. Jar, FR-S. 2400 mi, 1 week - repaired, AZ
65. @Art_Mighty, FR-S, 1600 mi, 7087XX, 4 weeks - repaired, IL
66. jesperswe, GT86, 0060XX, 2 weeks - repaired, Sweden
67. Chinadian, FR-S, 120 km, 4 weeks - repaired, Canada
68. FRSjeff, FR-S, 1900 mi, 7077XX, 1.5 weeks - repaired, CA
69. pixel67, FR-S, 17 mi, 7084XX, not purchased, GA
70. RedRydr, FR-S, 900 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, WA
71. Books, FR-S, 1400 mi, 1 week - repaired, MA
72. FT86Raven13, FR-S, 107 mi, in shop, CT
73. Eri***rummin, FR-S, 2950 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, NV
74. UbSaMrC, FR-S, 2008 mi, in shop, HI
75. NeenaChrry, FR-S, 170 mi, 7079XX, in shop, VA
76. ddarko68, FR-S, 115 mi, 7072XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, VA
77. [not on forum], GT86, 1400 km, in shop, Sweden
78. JtoshiroW, BRZ, 2400 mi, 6029XX, in shop, HI
79. Teknian_Culprate13, FR-S, 2000 mi, in shop, CA
80. phat_86, FR-S, 350 mi, 7076XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, IL
81. ftc~brz, BRZ, 70 mi, 6032XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MD
82. Hawaiian, FR-S, 6325 mi, IL
83. illmatic2349, FR-S, CA
84. Alienate, FR-S, 530 mi, 7092XX, 3 weeks - repaired, NV
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
86. _F-R-S_, FR-S, 2700 mi, MD
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
88. Sargy, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7077XX, 4 weeks - repaired, VA
89. xomp, FR-S, 2602 mi, 7065XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
90. samfrs, FR-S, 42 miles, 7076XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NJ
91. FRS-ti, FR-S, in shop, OH
92. TheZombi, BRZ, 500 km, in shop, Canada
93. mlrsguy1982, BRZ, 1300 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, MN
95. slideways, FR-S, 1250 miles, 7081XX, in shop, CA
96. miss_paula, FR-S, 1000 mi, in shop, CA
97. HATED1, FR-S, 2545 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, WA
98. Econn80, FR-S, 2 weeks - repaired, TX
99. schmickle, BRZ, car replaced - engine not repairable, CA
100. Goodguy889, FR-S, 2500 mi, 7085XX, in shop, OR
101. Tengu, FR-S, 6479 mi, 7024XX, in shop, CA
102. Dezoris, FR-S, 1076 mi, 7053XX, IL
103. Wcmarshall, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7078XX, in shop, TX
104. DrewZ926, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7074XX, TN
105. Mrc@ptuning, FR-S, 460 mi, in shop, VA
106. Aesthetics, FR-S, 3044 km, in shop, Canada
107. kreisinger87, FR-S, 1100 mi, 1 week - repaired, NV
108. dawnst3ar, FR-S, 2940 mi, 7080XX, in shop, TX
109. AceNiNe, FR-S, 1500 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, NY
110. Oski, BRZ, 1025 mi, 6026XX, in shop, CA
111. Those_Meddling_Kids, BRZ, 2025 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CO
112. asloned, FR-S, 1988 mi, in shop, AZ
113. timotale, BRZ, 6026XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
114. boonFRS, FR-S, 2600 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
115. eyebone, FR-S, 4012 mi, 7069XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
116. Rob_g, FR-S, 4500 km, 1.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
117. Gavin_Albright, FR-S, in shop, NC
118. tbertran, BRZ, 2560 mi, 6027XX, 1 week - repaired, CA
119. Le86, FR-S, 988 mi, 7094XX, in shop, WA
120. brianlo622, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7096XX, in shop, CA
121. neurokinetik, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7074XX, 1 week - repaired, NY
122. Boost_Junkie, BRZ, 1115 mi, 1 week - repaired, FL
123. JiB, GT86, 3000 km, Australia
124. felisa, BRZ, in shop, Canada
125. Plxdjake89, FR-S, 4495 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
126. beardy, GT86, 1600 km, in shop, Sweden
127. Mark_Slide_Squad, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
128. P_Nasty, FR-S, 500 mi, in shop, FL
129. cyrus, FR-S, 540 mi, 7091XX, in shop, NC
130. nomuken, GT86, 800 km, 0577XX, in shop, Luxembourg
131. hands0me, GT86, 106 km, in shop, Malaysia
132. howiedoit, FR-S, 4100 mi, 7066XX, in shop, CA
133. F1shTa1|5, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7008XX, self reset CEL - clear since 7000 mi, PA
134. dropthebeat21, FR-S, 3144 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NV
135. kaitak98, BRZ, 2200 mi, 6028XX, in shop, USA
136. FA20Bandit, FR-S, 3200 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
137. DieselxIndustry, FR-S, 800 mi, 7095XX, in shop, IL
138. mx5_2nr, FR-S, 1710 mi, 7085XX, in shop, TX
139. alexmotrix, FR-S, 7500 km, in shop, Canada
140. IceCreamMan, FR-S, 7500 mi, 7004XX, in shop, FL
141. brichard0625, FR-S, 3600 mi, NY
142. ap5512, BRZ, 4917 mi, 6010XX, VA
143. wotter, GT86, 1830 km, 5388XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, Belgium
144. darnbry, FR-S, 0.5 weeks - repaired, KS
145. KrzysFR, GT86, 1400 km, 0067XX, in shop, France
146. Kieranz, BRZ, 1950 mi, 6028XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
147. rthaanum, FR-S, 800 mi, in shop, WA
148. samseed, BRZ, CA
149. Callahan, BRZ, 1300 mi, 6027XX, in shop, NC
150. SDIAZ, FR-S, 1242 mi, in shop, NJ
151. ScionFRS, FR-S, NY
152. Scout27rgr, FR-S, 1326 mi, 7079XX, in shop, TX
153. ipothas, FR-S, 120 mi, in shop, MO
154. killercl0wnfish, FR-S, 3800 mi, in shop, KY
155. silverbullet, BRZ, 2200 mi, in shop, NH
156. buzzman, FRS, 2400 mi, in shop, OK
157.
158.

156. buzzman, FRS, 2400 mi, in shop, OK

[traybelles]

Originally Posted by buzzman

156. buzzman, FRS, 2400 mi, in shop, OK

Originally Posted by eurospeed

Folks, my goal is to document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I feel it will be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

BACKGROUND
While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your engine control unit (ECU) should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018 or related cam codes).

Toyota and Subaru have developed various solutions for this issue which have not been consistent and may require multiple repairs or even vehicle replacement due to limited success. Repairs could include a combination of the following: replacing cam sprocket assemblies, replacing oil control valves, reflashing and/or replacing the ECU. To expedite service and express your concerns, be sure to contact the corporate customer service numbers below.

PHONE NUMBERS
Scion Customer Service: 866-707-2466
Subaru Customer Service: 800-782-2783

Automotive Magazines/Websites Reporting the Issue
Automobile Magazine (2012.October)
Automotive News (2012.October.03)
AUTOWEEK (2012.October.04) | AUTOWEEK Video (2012.October.05)
Motor Trend (2012.October.04)
autoblog (2012.October.05)
Jalopnik (2012.October.03)
Torque News (2012.October.04)
egmCarTech (2012.October.07)

Forums and Other Related Threads
BRZ CEL/Idle Video | FR-S CEL/Idle Video

Early FR-S Issue and Engine Failure | Another FR-S Engine Failure | FR-S on Fire
Idle Issues Thread | RPM Fluctuation Thread | Idle Issues in UK
CEL Thread #1 | CEL Thread #2 | CEL Thread #3 | CEL Thread #4 | CEL Thread #5

Please post the following if you are experiencing the CEL/idle issue:
username, model, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), status of repair [3 weeks - repaired, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.]

SALES VOLUME
Total Scion FR-S sales from launch including September 2012 = 7465
Total Subaru BRZ sales from launch including September 2012 = 2718
FR-S September sales = 1133
BRZ September sales = 508
FR-S August sales = 1913
BRZ August sales = 623
FR-S July sales = 1649
FR-S June sales = 2684

LIST OF AFFECTED VEHICLES
1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, 2 weeks - repaired, CT
2. TeamSweet86, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, 1100 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1100 mi, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, 7067XX, 3 weeks - repaired, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, 4 weeks - repaired, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, repaired, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, 4 weeks - repaired, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, 601XXX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, 1 week - repaired, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1130 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, FR-S, 250 mi, 7053XX, repaired, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, 5.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, 500 km, 6027XX, in shop, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, car replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
30. egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX, car replaced - engine not repairable, CA
31. whtchocla7e, FR-S, 8 mi, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CT
32. bazi, FR-S, 25 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, NC
33. choi0706, BRZ, 200 mi, 6027XX, 4 weeks - repaired (2 different ECUs), TX
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, catastrophic engine failure, OH
35. thejevans, FR-S, in shop, MD
36. DarkSunrise, FR-S, 120 mi, repaired, VA
37. White13frs, FR-S, 1100 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, TX
38. iheartartoo, FR-S, 110 mi, 7071XX, in shop, USA
39. Christina_Marie, FR-S, 40 mi, 7073XX, 3 weeks - repaired, MA
40. 2000blk, FR-S, 100 mi, 7079XX, in shop, MI
41. gdi2290, BRZ, 717 mi, 6027XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
42. FLASCH, FR-S, 400 mi, 7078XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CA
43. ninetysixzee, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7026XX, CA
44. governor, FR-S, 2069 km, 6 weeks - repaired, Canada
45. speedy_racer, FR-S, 335 mi, 6 weeks - repaired, NC
46. SubieNate, FR-S, 100 mi, in shop, CA
47. FBaxteR-S, FR-S, 30 km, Canada
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, car replaced - engine not repairable, UT
49. griffunitt, FR-S, 150 mi, 7088XX, 3 weeks - repaired, WI
50. TemeCal, FR-S, 425 mi, 7088XX, 5 weeks - repaired (3 different ECUs), CA
51. twinturba, FR-S, 1510 miles, 7059XX, CA
52. OmarGC, FR-S, 420mi, 7079XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MO
53. regal, FR-S, 20 mi, 7074XX, PA
54. pituala, FR-S, 900 mi, 7073XX, 3.5 weeks 1st repair - back in shop, FL
55. KingRohan, BRZ, 800 km, 6026XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
56. CharlieChaos, FR-S, 1843 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, RI
57. Ahz, FR-S, 2100 km, 7076XX, Canada
58. 714FR-s_guy, FR-S, 1500 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CA
59. michaelshull, FR-S, 4500 mi, 7037XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
60. Darweeezy, FR-S, 1200 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
61. Ridenslide, FR-S, 10 mi, not purchased, NM
62. 86'ing, FR-S, 865 mi, in shop, LA
63. invaliduser, FR-S, 9 mi, 1.5 weeks - repaired, LA
64. Jar, FR-S. 2400 mi, 1 week - repaired, AZ
65. @Art_Mighty, FR-S, 1600 mi, 7087XX, 4 weeks - repaired, IL
66. jesperswe, GT86, 0060XX, 2 weeks - repaired, Sweden
67. Chinadian, FR-S, 120 km, 4 weeks - repaired, Canada
68. FRSjeff, FR-S, 1900 mi, 7077XX, 1.5 weeks - repaired, CA
69. pixel67, FR-S, 17 mi, 7084XX, not purchased, GA
70. RedRydr, FR-S, 900 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, WA
71. Books, FR-S, 1400 mi, 1 week - repaired, MA
72. FT86Raven13, FR-S, 107 mi, in shop, CT
73. Eri***rummin, FR-S, 2950 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, NV
74. UbSaMrC, FR-S, 2008 mi, in shop, HI
75. NeenaChrry, FR-S, 170 mi, 7079XX, in shop, VA
76. ddarko68, FR-S, 115 mi, 7072XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, VA
77. [not on forum], GT86, 1400 km, in shop, Sweden
78. JtoshiroW, BRZ, 2400 mi, 6029XX, in shop, HI
79. Teknian_Culprate13, FR-S, 2000 mi, in shop, CA
80. phat_86, FR-S, 350 mi, 7076XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, IL
81. ftc~brz, BRZ, 70 mi, 6032XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MD
82. Hawaiian, FR-S, 6325 mi, IL
83. illmatic2349, FR-S, CA
84. Alienate, FR-S, 530 mi, 7092XX, 3 weeks - repaired, NV
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
86. _F-R-S_, FR-S, 2700 mi, MD
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
88. Sargy, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7077XX, 4 weeks - repaired, VA
89. xomp, FR-S, 2602 mi, 7065XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
90. samfrs, FR-S, 42 miles, 7076XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NJ
91. FRS-ti, FR-S, in shop, OH
92. TheZombi, BRZ, 500 km, in shop, Canada
93. mlrsguy1982, BRZ, 1300 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, MN
95. slideways, FR-S, 1250 miles, 7081XX, in shop, CA
96. miss_paula, FR-S, 1000 mi, in shop, CA
97. HATED1, FR-S, 2545 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, WA
98. Econn80, FR-S, 2 weeks - repaired, TX
99. schmickle, BRZ, car replaced - engine not repairable, CA
100. Goodguy889, FR-S, 2500 mi, 7085XX, in shop, OR
101. Tengu, FR-S, 6479 mi, 7024XX, in shop, CA
102. Dezoris, FR-S, 1076 mi, 7053XX, IL
103. Wcmarshall, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7078XX, in shop, TX
104. DrewZ926, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7074XX, TN
105. Mrc@ptuning, FR-S, 460 mi, in shop, VA
106. Aesthetics, FR-S, 3044 km, in shop, Canada
107. kreisinger87, FR-S, 1100 mi, 1 week - repaired, NV
108. dawnst3ar, FR-S, 2940 mi, 7080XX, in shop, TX
109. AceNiNe, FR-S, 1500 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, NY
110. Oski, BRZ, 1025 mi, 6026XX, in shop, CA
111. Those_Meddling_Kids, BRZ, 2025 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CO
112. asloned, FR-S, 1988 mi, in shop, AZ
113. timotale, BRZ, 6026XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
114. boonFRS, FR-S, 2600 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
115. eyebone, FR-S, 4012 mi, 7069XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
116. Rob_g, FR-S, 4500 km, 1.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
117. Gavin_Albright, FR-S, in shop, NC
118. tbertran, BRZ, 2560 mi, 6027XX, 1 week - repaired, CA
119. Le86, FR-S, 988 mi, 7094XX, in shop, WA
120. brianlo622, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7096XX, in shop, CA
121. neurokinetik, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7074XX, 1 week - repaired, NY
122. Boost_Junkie, BRZ, 1115 mi, 1 week - repaired, FL
123. JiB, GT86, 3000 km, Australia
124. felisa, BRZ, in shop, Canada
125. Plxdjake89, FR-S, 4495 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
126. beardy, GT86, 1600 km, in shop, Sweden
127. Mark_Slide_Squad, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
128. P_Nasty, FR-S, 500 mi, in shop, FL
129. cyrus, FR-S, 540 mi, 7091XX, in shop, NC
130. nomuken, GT86, 800 km, 0577XX, in shop, Luxembourg
131. hands0me, GT86, 106 km, in shop, Malaysia
132. howiedoit, FR-S, 4100 mi, 7066XX, in shop, CA
133. F1shTa1|5, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7008XX, self reset CEL - clear since 7000 mi, PA
134. dropthebeat21, FR-S, 3144 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NV
135. kaitak98, BRZ, 2200 mi, 6028XX, in shop, USA
136. FA20Bandit, FR-S, 3200 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
137. DieselxIndustry, FR-S, 800 mi, 7095XX, in shop, IL
138. mx5_2nr, FR-S, 1710 mi, 7085XX, in shop, TX
139. alexmotrix, FR-S, 7500 km, in shop, Canada
140. IceCreamMan, FR-S, 7500 mi, 7004XX, in shop, FL
141. brichard0625, FR-S, 3600 mi, NY
142. ap5512, BRZ, 4917 mi, 6010XX, VA
143. wotter, GT86, 1830 km, 5388XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, Belgium
144. darnbry, FR-S, 0.5 weeks - repaired, KS
145. KrzysFR, GT86, 1400 km, 0067XX, in shop, France
146. Kieranz, BRZ, 1950 mi, 6028XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
147. rthaanum, FR-S, 800 mi, in shop, WA
148. samseed, BRZ, CA
149. Callahan, BRZ, 1300 mi, 6027XX, in shop, NC
150. SDIAZ, FR-S, 1242 mi, in shop, NJ
151. ScionFRS, FR-S, NY
152. Scout27rgr, FR-S, 1326 mi, 7079XX, in shop, TX
153. ipothas, FR-S, 120 mi, in shop, MO
154. killercl0wnfish, FR-S, 3800 mi, in shop,
KY
155. silverbullet, BRZ, 2200 mi, in shop, NH
156.
157.
158.

155. traybelles GT86 0040XX Qld AUST

[KrzysFR]

Lol, it's been almost one week since I went to the dealership with a CEL (P0019) and they still didn't receive any reply from Toyota France about it. I'm so glad I didn't let them keep my car 'cause it would have been siting somewhere on the parking lot all this time.

They only cleared the code to make the CEL go away, but since then I'm seeing a big loss in power. I think the car is still in limp mode... anyone has seen that ?

At least if that keeps the idle problem away until they can actually fix it, I can live with it for a few weeks. Until then I will keep driving my car with half an engine :/

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by hampersnow

I do not own this car and I did call Toyota to let them know that these issues being discussed online are keeping me from making a purchase. People need to complain till they are blue in the face. With the way this car has been selling both companies have little incentive to solve this problem quickly. Whether it was the Toyota rep or the people at my local Richmond Virginia dealership, all I keep hearing is "don't believe everything you read on the web". I can't believe this forum is a conspiracy to destroy Toyota/Suburu's reputation BUT people need to call everyone they can, complain as loud as they can, if possible get the media involved. The people who stand to make money from these cars do not believe you, and as a prospective buyer I've heard this over and over.

Dude, we know...

The media knows because of the efforts of those on this thread. Toyota responded to the media and finally acknowledged that something was going on to their owners (not sure of Subaru has said anything to their owners). We those communications filtered down to owners or dealer staff? Hard to say.

As for their statement, "don't believe everything you read on the web" I wouldn't either, there's a lot of unsubstantiated garbage on the internets.

(this next part goes out to the government agencies [both US and Abroad], media outlets and the engineering, public relations, communications and legal departments within Toyota/Scion/Subaru monitoring this thread)

The difference is that for anyone who is confused or resistant to the truth is that the evidence in this thread is valid, genuine, and truthful. Everyone in this thread has paper evidence, dealer repair order numbers, rental car records" "customer satisfaction" case numbers. Court discoverable records exist at the customer, dealer and manufacture which corroborate with each other and would support discovery subpoenas to Toyota/Scion/Subaru to compel them to reveal emails, case notes and engineering data...

[egraphic]

Originally Posted by eurospeed

Folks, my goal is to document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I feel it will be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

BACKGROUND
While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your engine control unit (ECU) should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018 or related cam codes).

Toyota and Subaru have developed various solutions for this issue which have not been consistent and may require multiple repairs or even vehicle replacement due to limited success. Repairs could include a combination of the following: replacing cam sprocket assemblies, replacing oil control valves, reflashing and/or replacing the ECU. To expedite service and express your concerns, be sure to contact the corporate customer service numbers below.

PHONE NUMBERS
Scion Customer Service: 866-707-2466
Subaru Customer Service: 800-782-2783

Automotive Magazines/Websites Reporting the Issue
Automobile Magazine (2012.October)
Automotive News (2012.October.03)
AUTOWEEK (2012.October.04) | AUTOWEEK Video (2012.October.05)
Motor Trend (2012.October.04)
autoblog (2012.October.05)
Jalopnik (2012.October.03)
Torque News (2012.October.04)
egmCarTech (2012.October.07)

Forums and Other Related Threads
BRZ CEL/Idle Video | FR-S CEL/Idle Video

Early FR-S Issue and Engine Failure | Another FR-S Engine Failure | FR-S on Fire
Idle Issues Thread | RPM Fluctuation Thread | Idle Issues in UK
CEL Thread #1 | CEL Thread #2 | CEL Thread #3 | CEL Thread #4 | CEL Thread #5

Please post the following if you are experiencing the CEL/idle issue:
username, model, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), status of repair [3 weeks - repaired, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.]

SALES VOLUME
Total Scion FR-S sales from launch including September 2012 = 7465
Total Subaru BRZ sales from launch including September 2012 = 2718
FR-S September sales = 1133
BRZ September sales = 508
FR-S August sales = 1913
BRZ August sales = 623
FR-S July sales = 1649
FR-S June sales = 2684

LIST OF AFFECTED VEHICLES
1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, 2 weeks - repaired, CT
2. TeamSweet86, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, 1100 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1100 mi, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, 7067XX, 3 weeks - repaired, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, 4 weeks - repaired, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, repaired, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, 4 weeks - repaired, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, 601XXX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, 1 week - repaired, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1130 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, FR-S, 250 mi, 7053XX, repaired, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, 5.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, 500 km, 6027XX, in shop, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, car replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
30. egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX, car replaced - engine not repairable, CA
31. whtchocla7e, FR-S, 8 mi, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CT
32. bazi, FR-S, 25 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, NC
33. choi0706, BRZ, 200 mi, 6027XX, 4 weeks - repaired (2 different ECUs), TX
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, catastrophic engine failure, OH
35. thejevans, FR-S, in shop, MD
36. DarkSunrise, FR-S, 120 mi, repaired, VA
37. White13frs, FR-S, 1100 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, TX
38. iheartartoo, FR-S, 110 mi, 7071XX, in shop, USA
39. Christina_Marie, FR-S, 40 mi, 7073XX, 3 weeks - repaired, MA
40. 2000blk, FR-S, 100 mi, 7079XX, in shop, MI
41. gdi2290, BRZ, 717 mi, 6027XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
42. FLASCH, FR-S, 400 mi, 7078XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CA
43. ninetysixzee, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7026XX, CA
44. governor, FR-S, 2069 km, 6 weeks - repaired, Canada
45. speedy_racer, FR-S, 335 mi, 6 weeks - repaired, NC
46. SubieNate, FR-S, 100 mi, in shop, CA
47. FBaxteR-S, FR-S, 30 km, Canada
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, car replaced - engine not repairable, UT
49. griffunitt, FR-S, 150 mi, 7088XX, 3 weeks - repaired, WI
50. TemeCal, FR-S, 425 mi, 7088XX, 5 weeks - repaired (3 different ECUs), CA
51. twinturba, FR-S, 1510 miles, 7059XX, CA
52. OmarGC, FR-S, 420mi, 7079XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MO
53. regal, FR-S, 20 mi, 7074XX, PA
54. pituala, FR-S, 900 mi, 7073XX, 3.5 weeks 1st repair - back in shop, FL
55. KingRohan, BRZ, 800 km, 6026XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
56. CharlieChaos, FR-S, 1843 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, RI
57. Ahz, FR-S, 2100 km, 7076XX, Canada
58. 714FR-s_guy, FR-S, 1500 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CA
59. michaelshull, FR-S, 4500 mi, 7037XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
60. Darweeezy, FR-S, 1200 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
61. Ridenslide, FR-S, 10 mi, not purchased, NM
62. 86'ing, FR-S, 865 mi, in shop, LA
63. invaliduser, FR-S, 9 mi, 1.5 weeks - repaired, LA
64. Jar, FR-S. 2400 mi, 1 week - repaired, AZ
65. @Art_Mighty, FR-S, 1600 mi, 7087XX, 4 weeks - repaired, IL
66. jesperswe, GT86, 0060XX, 2 weeks - repaired, Sweden
67. Chinadian, FR-S, 120 km, 4 weeks - repaired, Canada
68. FRSjeff, FR-S, 1900 mi, 7077XX, 1.5 weeks - repaired, CA
69. pixel67, FR-S, 17 mi, 7084XX, not purchased, GA
70. RedRydr, FR-S, 900 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, WA
71. Books, FR-S, 1400 mi, 1 week - repaired, MA
72. FT86Raven13, FR-S, 107 mi, in shop, CT
73. Eri***rummin, FR-S, 2950 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, NV
74. UbSaMrC, FR-S, 2008 mi, in shop, HI
75. NeenaChrry, FR-S, 170 mi, 7079XX, in shop, VA
76. ddarko68, FR-S, 115 mi, 7072XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, VA
77. [not on forum], GT86, 1400 km, in shop, Sweden
78. JtoshiroW, BRZ, 2400 mi, 6029XX, in shop, HI
79. Teknian_Culprate13, FR-S, 2000 mi, in shop, CA
80. phat_86, FR-S, 350 mi, 7076XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, IL
81. ftc~brz, BRZ, 70 mi, 6032XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MD
82. Hawaiian, FR-S, 6325 mi, IL
83. illmatic2349, FR-S, CA
84. Alienate, FR-S, 530 mi, 7092XX, 3 weeks - repaired, NV
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
86. _F-R-S_, FR-S, 2700 mi, MD
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
88. Sargy, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7077XX, 4 weeks - repaired, VA
89. xomp, FR-S, 2602 mi, 7065XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
90. samfrs, FR-S, 42 miles, 7076XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NJ
91. FRS-ti, FR-S, in shop, OH
92. TheZombi, BRZ, 500 km, in shop, Canada
93. mlrsguy1982, BRZ, 1300 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, MN
95. slideways, FR-S, 1250 miles, 7081XX, in shop, CA
96. miss_paula, FR-S, 1000 mi, in shop, CA
97. HATED1, FR-S, 2545 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, WA
98. Econn80, FR-S, 2 weeks - repaired, TX
99. schmickle, BRZ, car replaced - engine not repairable, CA
100. Goodguy889, FR-S, 2500 mi, 7085XX, in shop, OR
101. Tengu, FR-S, 6479 mi, 7024XX, in shop, CA
102. Dezoris, FR-S, 1076 mi, 7053XX, IL
103. Wcmarshall, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7078XX, in shop, TX
104. DrewZ926, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7074XX, TN
105. Mrc@ptuning, FR-S, 460 mi, in shop, VA
106. Aesthetics, FR-S, 3044 km, in shop, Canada
107. kreisinger87, FR-S, 1100 mi, 1 week - repaired, NV
108. dawnst3ar, FR-S, 2940 mi, 7080XX, in shop, TX
109. AceNiNe, FR-S, 1500 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, NY
110. Oski, BRZ, 1025 mi, 6026XX, in shop, CA
111. Those_Meddling_Kids, BRZ, 2025 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CO
112. asloned, FR-S, 1988 mi, in shop, AZ
113. timotale, BRZ, 6026XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
114. boonFRS, FR-S, 2600 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
115. eyebone, FR-S, 4012 mi, 7069XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
116. Rob_g, FR-S, 4500 km, 1.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
117. Gavin_Albright, FR-S, in shop, NC
118. tbertran, BRZ, 2560 mi, 6027XX, 1 week - repaired, CA
119. Le86, FR-S, 988 mi, 7094XX, in shop, WA
120. brianlo622, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7096XX, in shop, CA
121. neurokinetik, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7074XX, 1 week - repaired, NY
122. Boost_Junkie, BRZ, 1115 mi, 1 week - repaired, FL
123. JiB, GT86, 3000 km, Australia
124. felisa, BRZ, in shop, Canada
125. Plxdjake89, FR-S, 4495 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
126. beardy, GT86, 1600 km, in shop, Sweden
127. Mark_Slide_Squad, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
128. P_Nasty, FR-S, 500 mi, in shop, FL
129. cyrus, FR-S, 540 mi, 7091XX, in shop, NC
130. nomuken, GT86, 800 km, 0577XX, in shop, Luxembourg
131. hands0me, GT86, 106 km, in shop, Malaysia
132. howiedoit, FR-S, 4100 mi, 7066XX, in shop, CA
133. F1shTa1|5, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7008XX, self reset CEL - clear since 7000 mi, PA
134. dropthebeat21, FR-S, 3144 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NV
135. kaitak98, BRZ, 2200 mi, 6028XX, in shop, USA
136. FA20Bandit, FR-S, 3200 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
137. DieselxIndustry, FR-S, 800 mi, 7095XX, in shop, IL
138. mx5_2nr, FR-S, 1710 mi, 7085XX, in shop, TX
139. alexmotrix, FR-S, 7500 km, in shop, Canada
140. IceCreamMan, FR-S, 7500 mi, 7004XX, in shop, FL
141. brichard0625, FR-S, 3600 mi, NY
142. ap5512, BRZ, 4917 mi, 6010XX, VA
143. wotter, GT86, 1830 km, 5388XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, Belgium
144. darnbry, FR-S, 0.5 weeks - repaired, KS
145. KrzysFR, GT86, 1400 km, 0067XX, in shop, France
146. Kieranz, BRZ, 1950 mi, 6028XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
147. rthaanum, FR-S, 800 mi, in shop, WA
148. samseed, BRZ, CA
149. Callahan, BRZ, 1300 mi, 6027XX, in shop, NC
150. SDIAZ, FR-S, 1242 mi, in shop, NJ
151. ScionFRS, FR-S, NY
152. Scout27rgr, FR-S, 1326 mi, 7079XX, in shop, TX
153. ipothas, FR-S, 120 mi, in shop, MO
154. killercl0wnfish, FR-S, 3800 mi, in shop, KY
155. silverbullet, BRZ, 2200 mi, in shop, NH
156.
157.
158.

I'm #30 above, and it's not correct that it was unfixable. I was given the option to not sit out a repair cycle and either receive a brand new car or get out of the deal altogether. I chose the former. I believe they've fixed the car, because I saw it out on their lot about three weeks after the swap. Thanks for updating my listing!

[jduffy]

Originally Posted by egraphic

I'm #30 above, and it's not correct that it was unfixable. I was given the option to not sit out a repair cycle and either receive a brand new car or get out of the deal altogether. I chose the former. I believe they've fixed the car, because I saw it out on their lot about three weeks after the swap. Thanks for updating my listing!

Damn, a new car? What dealer did that for you? I'm going there if I get the CEL / Idle problem.

[dabocx]

I wonder if theres going to be any long term damage to my car.

Ive had the idle dip issue for 4400 miles now and while i havent gotten a CEL i also have not gotten a reflash or new ecu and my dealer is refusing to do anything till i get the CEL.

My question is after i get the CEL and fix it is there going to be long term effects to my motor? I know a few people have but im wondering if thats a given.

[SVThis]

My car should be in within the week. Vin# 7111xx. I'm hoping they have this problem fixed by now. Looks like they're over 11,000 for US cars

[Alienate]

Originally Posted by dabocx

I wonder if theres going to be any long term damage to my car.

Ive had the idle dip issue for 4400 miles now and while i havent gotten a CEL i also have not gotten a reflash or new ecu and my dealer is refusing to do anything till i get the CEL.

My question is after i get the CEL and fix it is there going to be long term effects to my motor? I know a few people have but im wondering if thats a given.

I am just wondering if anyone with the idle dip problem but no CEL showing, has scanned their cars to see if there are any codes listed. I have had vehicles that threw codes but didn't turn on the CEL.

Anyone?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by dabocx

I wonder if theres going to be any long term damage to my car.

Ive had the idle dip issue for 4400 miles now and while i havent gotten a CEL i also have not gotten a reflash or new ecu and my dealer is refusing to do anything till i get the CEL.

My question is after i get the CEL and fix it is there going to be long term effects to my motor? I know a few people have but im wondering if thats a given.

Then you don't have a problem. Stop wasting the dealership's time until you get the CEL IF you even get it. There is no fix for the idle dip issue; there is a fix for several cam related CELs that seems to sometimes fix the idle dip.

[dabocx]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Then you don't have a problem. Stop wasting the dealership's time until you get the CEL IF you even get it. There is no fix for the idle dip issue; there is a fix for several cam related CELs that seems to sometimes fix the idle dip.

I went in once when they were dead empty for 10 minutes.

And im sorry to argue but my idle dipping, my car bogging ,my car having engine chirping and both my windows squeeling are problems. And ive had every single one of those since i bought the car 3 months ago.