Why lots of tuners have given up on the 86

[brn12345]

To start with the engineers at Toyota and Subaru did a amazing job in extracting as much power as they have done from this engine. To gain power from stock it would take a combination of parts to make gains (other than regular freeing up restrictions like airbox, cats, exhaust) which would ultimately be a compromise since this motor is not blessed with VTEC to allow small cam dr jekyll and big cam mr hyde. To really explore making power, the perfect combination of headers, cams, intake manifold need to be put in place. A good example of such optimized setups are the Gazoo racing 86 and TRD's project Griffon.

At this stage in the game, it would be very useful the headers and other mods including mapping are released to tuners by trd.

What are your thoughts and views on this?

[Dustin]

Originally Posted by brn12345

since this motor is not blessed with VTEC

No other motor will have "VTEC" other than a honda engine. This motor dose have variable valve timing though. VTEC is just what Honda calls their variable valve timimg. Toyota's is called VVTI. Subaru's is called AVCS or something like that. I'm not sure which one the FA20 uses though.

[ZionsWrath]

Just turbo and not worry ??

[midnight23]

Originally Posted by brn12345

Toyota and Subaru did a amazing job in extracting as much power as they have done from this engine.
What are your thoughts and views on this?

That's why tuners are getting 20 WHP gains with a flash without mods right? Subaru tunes have always been shit and underpowered.

[Team STILLEN]

I would not say that a lot of tuners have given up on the FR-S as a tuning platform. Because the car is so new there will be companies waiting to see what the market looks like before putting a lot of money into R&D for different products. Here at STILLEN we are still monitoring the market and exploring the demand for certain products that we can manufacture.

[smbstyle]

the car and engine have been out for what, a year? barely? Christ, most haven't even finished development on their BRZ/FRS projects.

I'm actually surprised on how much is actually out there already on a brand new platform developed from scratch.

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Team STILLEN

I would not say that a lot of tuners have given up on the FR-S as a tuning platform. Because the car is so new there will be companies waiting to see what the market looks like before putting a lot of money into R&D for different products. Here at STILLEN we are still monitoring the market and exploring the demand for certain products that we can manufacture.

Hey, no fair, stillen only makes parts for Nissan Z cars

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[m.wood0213]

Originally Posted by smbstyle

the car and engine have been out for what, a year? barely? Christ, most haven't even finished development on their BRZ/FRS projects.

I'm actually surprised on how much is actually out there already on a brand new platform developed from scratch.

agreed

[Burrcold]

How can you say anyone has given up seeing as how the car has been out such a short time. I actually think it's just the opposite.

[MrGamer]

Just give it time.

[arghx7]

Considering how low the production volume is, I was honestly stunned at how quickly the aftermarket for this car has grown. Lots of products are going to fail in the marketplace. That's how markets work. You have better options for parts and tuning than you could ever really have hoped for when this car first came out.

Originally Posted by Dustin

No other motor will have "VTEC" other than a honda engine. This motor dose have variable valve timing though. VTEC is just what Honda calls their variable valve timimg. Toyota's is called VVTI. Subaru's is called AVCS or something like that. I'm not sure which one the FA20 uses though.

I think OP meant, whether he realized it or not, is that this engine does not have variable valve lift. That's going to limit the top end horsepower potential. Only the cams can be phased.

Honda calls all sorts of designs some variation of VTEC, but all their highest power-per-liter engines have had a switchable high lift cam profile. Toyota had two step lift on the 2ZZ engine. Subaru has it on some engines, and they call it AVLS, although it's really just a switchable high swirl/fuel economy cam profile. In terms of continuously variable systems, Nissan has VVEL on their 3.7 and 5.6 engines, BMW has Valvetronic across their lineup, Toyota has Valvematic (on only a few engines not sold in the US), and Fiat has Multiair which is a significantly different system.

[soundman98]

'the market' hasn't failed until the car is no longer being produced...

these aren't the run-of-the-mill honda's that can be picked up for pocket change and modded in a similar fashion..

but i come from a 200hp v6 eclipse, which to get ANY extra power out of the motor, the motor requires a complete teardown and rebuild costing around $10,000 or more, on a car that barely squeaks out a $3,000 resale value.

to pay $3,000-4,000 for a turbo kit and a simple tune that will get this car up above 200 hp, and a current car valuation of more than $15k, i'd say the market is far from dead for this car. it's only just begun.

[Brzzee]

Totally agree. Every week new items hit the street. Go for low hanging fruit and save for your modification war chest.
Cheers

[SloS14]

Who are these "lots of tuners"?