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10-11-2019, 06:23 PM | #1 |
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Case study comparing the Ace header against a popular UEL header with FI
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2017 MT (205hp base motor, new red manifold, etc.) UEL header w/ ceramic JRSC C38 w/ High Boost Pulley Graphs: baseline (stock) ACN91 E55 (MBT, aka no more power to be made with more ethanol) Second dyno: 2013 MT Ace A350 header w/ CSG double ceramic JRSC C30 w/ standard pulley and High Boost Pulley Graphs: baseline (stock) E85 SBP E85 HBP Overlaid (combined) graphs w/ identifiers for comparison. Conclusions: Smaller supercharger (C30) with less boost (~2psi less), makes more power (+35whp, +25wtq), due to the Ace header. The C30 + standard pulley + Ace header makes more power and more area under the curve than the C38 + high boost pulley + UEL header! Both cars dyno tuned by Zach Tucker of CSG. Imagine a C38 + HBP + Ace header... |
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No offense, but do we really need another thread reminding us the ACE header makes the most power? Otherwise, that output is very impressive!
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Did you ever compare the different ace headers with boost? Is the 350 the best for boosted? I seen on their website that says the crossfire is for forced induction.
I also can't figure out that different size wheels and gear ratios would affect whp and call for a different header. Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk |
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Im guessing it probably has to do with how long you stay in each gear. Longer gearing, stay in each gear longer, a more broad powerband would be better like the 350/400. Shorter gearing, stay in each gear less, a more peaky powerband would be better like 150/250.
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What I really want to see is an ACE header vs a Ptuning header, both tuned by Zach. For whatever reason PTuning always is ignored.
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I've read that Dyno Dynamics is heart-breaker compared to a Dynojet, so I'd be quite interested to see what my tS with a JRSC C30/PTuning Header/JDL UQFP/E85 setup would do on a Dynojet. For reference, on PTuning's Dyno Dynamics I put down 307whp/230ft-lbs on a 90+degree day. |
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I want to see the Nameless header but no one likes it lol. And it's discontinued. Or the HKS header. I don't need no fancy ACE header and sure as hell don't like UEL sounds. But I feel ya!
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While the dynos themselves can't be directly compared, when you always provide a baseline, you can very much overlay the baseline to get a semi-accurate comparison, as well as compare the % gain, which is what truly matters. For reference, the TRL Dynojet reads exactly how a Dynojet should read, and is accurate for NASA Dynojet numbers. You can take whp numbers, divide by 0.88, and get accurate crank numbers. A stock FA20 reads ~175whp on this dyno The CSG Dynapack reads lower, and you can take CSG whp numbers, divide by 0.75, and get accurate crank numbers. A stock FA20 reads ~150whp on this dyno. |
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Rod breaking power is available without the Ace, but thanks for the data.
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I would like to see the ACE vs UEL catless vs OEM Decat (hammer and screwdriver).
Same car, same tuner (hopefully a good one), same dyno, same conditions, same fuel. All on an NA engine where the pipe length, diameter, velocity, collector design and pulses really mean more in design than a boosted application where blow down is seen. All by a independent place that doesn't sell aftermarket parts. Disclaimer: I'm no expert, I just like fluid and thermal dynamics and their part in making power. I would also like to see some traps and mph for each test. From my experience there is generally a difference in claims when the tyres are on the blacktop. Marketing is a magical thing.
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So many peeps salty bout the Ace being heads above the rest ..... thanks again for the validation of me buying the right header/ tune for my Fi brz
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