Rigid Collars?

[Hyper4mance2k]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That level of data is far, far beyond CSG's budget, so it won't be happening, at least, not from us.

The harmonic frequency analysis is so obvious that a quantified log isn't necessary. It's THAT obvious.

Agreed. I was just stating that people aren't going to get "dyno numbers." This is one of those mods that you have to feel to believe. Most people on this site think they want this, but it's not going to help their hella stance moarlow status.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Shankenstein

Well put!

It's not going to prevent your front subframe from sliding around, because it's not currently sliding around.

The front subframe is rigidly attached, but from people's pictures, it isn't always well-centered. Precisely aligning the mounting points will make your geometry more symmetric. That's a good thing (except for your alignment tech who can't use this as adjustment anymore). 1 mm can be a big distance when you're talking about finicky suspension points.

These collars are very unlikely to hurt performance... but there's no guarantee they will help significantly either. The value that a resonant frequency shift presents is up to you.

This assumes that the holes in both pieces are so precisely located that centered is going to be perfect. Again I see the possibility for fault with this line if thinking. One of the reasons for the large holes is to allow for tolerances in the manufacturing process. Without the large holes on a small number of cars it wouldn't be possible to center the subframe. Unless the tolerances for a subframe have decreased significantly.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k

Agreed. I was just stating that people aren't going to get "dyno numbers." This is one of those mods that you have to feel to believe. Most people on this site think they want this, but it's not going to help their hella stance moarlow status.

Brah, it's one more sticker to add to the roll call - Rigid Collars.

I am also skeptical of these rigid collars as well, hopefully if the CSG GP comes through, i can give my invaluable inputs.

[CSG David]

My car drones more than before. When it had stock suspension, the ride quality was validated by the aging grandparents while driving over cobblestones. Yes I was a **** at the time, but they asked if something happened to the car to make it more comfortable. So yes...it does work, but now my car (zero sound deadening material from the factory) drones more. FML

[Shankenstein]

Originally Posted by Calum

This assumes that the holes in both pieces are so precisely located that centered is going to be perfect. Again I see the possibility for fault with this line if thinking. One of the reasons for the large holes is to allow for tolerances in the manufacturing process. Without the large holes on a small number of cars it wouldn't be possible to center the subframe. Unless the tolerances for a subframe have decreased significantly.

Every features has tolerances, and the stack-up is probably quite significant, given how many parts that bolt goes through.

On top of that... the hole size needs to allow for decent alignment after a certain amount of frame damage/bending. I wouldn't be surprised if there were validation requirement for serviceable structural members. Something like "Subject 6 DUTs to 30 mph front-end collisions. Remove and reinstall the structural member 10 times. Insertion force shall be less than 20 lbs. Torque required to fully mate the component to each mounting surface shall not exceed 80% of torque specified in the service manual."

I'm curious how much "serviceability" is designed into our vehicles, because Toyota has quite the reputation... and it's probably not a coincidence. "Design for Serviceability" seems like it must be someone's job there.

[Hyper4mance2k]

Forget it... I'm just going to super glue everything on my car together!!

[Fastbrew]

I can almost get my car to hit The Brown Note. How? If I accelerate hard in 3rd gear at around 3500 while playing dub on the OEM Audio + Reference. Normally I would downshift. However - if I do the above - the entire car - turbo/Perrin 3"/etc - will sync up and vibrate. I am afraid Rigicolas would send it over the edge. Good thing I took out the sound tube ages ago or else my passenger side clean-up would be astronomical. Say - I wonder if I could collect all these harmonies and run them back into the turbo for some Brown Boosts? Hmmmm.....

[mokinbird87]

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k

Forget it... I'm just going to super glue everything on my car together!!

I guess you`d be surprised to find out that some high-end cars are riveted AND glued from factory actually...

[Hyper4mance2k]

Originally Posted by mokinbird87

I guess you`d be surprised to find out that some high-end cars are riveted AND glued from factory actually...

Yes I know that. Eg. Elise, Exige, F40, etc.. I'm no spring chicken. I think your satire meter is broken.

[GeorgeJFrick]

It's hard for a lot of us to purchase something based on "It's THAT obvious". Some people make similar statements about Megan coil-overs. While it may be outside of budget to provide any numbers; there needs to be some kind of compromise in communicating the benefits with factual statements.

[mokinbird87]

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k

Yes I know that. Eg. Elise, Exige, F40, etc.. I'm no spring chicken. I think your satire meter is broken.

hehe damn I wanted to be sarcastic on top of your sarcasm but i failed... yea it`s pretty amazing how stiff those cars are with the chassis glued...

[mokinbird87]

Originally Posted by GeorgeJFrick

It's hard for a lot of us to purchase something based on "It's THAT obvious". Some people make similar statements about Megan coil-overs. While it may be outside of budget to provide any numbers; there needs to be some kind of compromise in communicating the benefits with factual statements.

I dont think it`ll improve your lap time by x amount so if you`re after that this is not the mod for you. when making the purchasing decision on the BRZ, I pretty much gave up on having "the fastest car" (traded in my wrx for the brz) but really just enjoying the feel of the car (this is also why I value the first gen NSX so much...). For sure the rigid collars isn't going to make you go faster around a track but it makes my driving experience so much more enjoyable and for that the price is not too bad in my opinion. However, I do understand that there are people out there that need to quantify x amount of dollar spent = x amount of performance, and as I have said before, there are better mods for that for the amount of money you will spend on this part. I can see the argument from both sides really. It all depends on what your goal is with your car.

[wparsons]

^^ Not that you're wrong, but better feel might give you the confidence to push harder on a more consistent basis, which will make you faster in the end.

[mokinbird87]

Originally Posted by wparsons

^^ Not that you're wrong, but better feel might give you the confidence to push harder on a more consistent basis, which will make you faster in the end.

I`m a firm believer of that philosophy.