so...how did you guys decide?

[woode]

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi

Anything that a supercharger can do, a turbo does better

This. This is why I chose turbo.

[midnight23]

turbo! I daily mine and haven't had issues. I ran the kit without cooling solutions at first, only added it after for safety and future track usage.

[lexusb3]

I wanted a little fun little toy. Turbo cars are always fun. I woke up said you know what im going to slap a turbo on and see what happens... went 35,000 miles on it as a daily no problems. It's going to really depend on you and what you want power wise. Word of advice boost is like a drug you will always want boost everyone said they only want "300" lol

[JoonPrime]

Reading all the replies were great, really great guys thanks alot! i think i might be even more confused then before but...still really helpful to see the difference in opinions.

does a turbo vs supercharger have a difference in gas? each vendor only says their kits can get close to the same mileage under "appropriate conditions" ......

also, twin screws vs a centrifugal? it sounds to me like twins would be superior in a vast majority of ways. It seems safer as well. would a centrifugal be more powerful? sorry for these noobie questions guys!

and also, what kind of turbo kits you guys running? im currently watching 2 of them now, i wonder if any of you can give a testimony on either??

[tahdizzle]

I autoX, and I presonally feel a Supercharger is better for autoX than a Turbocharger, well more forgiving at least.

And of the Superchargers, twin screw over centrifugal.

[DJCarbine]

For me it actually came down to already having turbo/nitrous/large displacement cars before and never having a centrifugal supercharger on a smaller engine. Decided to give it a shot as I was not looking for big power.

If big power is your goal, get a turbocharger and don't waste time with a supercharger. If you want to go FI and are on the fence about both but your main goal is to go faster, get a turbocharger. Nothing worse than not being happy with your choice and ending up spending more money/losing money selling your used supercharger kit and buying a turbo kit.

If you want a supercharger be sure that is what you want, maybe ride in a few cars but don't buy it because it felt fast enough... you will get used to the power after a while (generally the case with ANY sort of power modification)

Safest bet is turbocharger, but I do like the fact that any of the supercharger kits (that I know of) can be installed without drilling the oil pan for a return line or needing a feed. There is also a certain simplicity of a complete supercharger system that is appealing to me. Turbochargers are simple devices as well, but I feel the entire system as a whole is more complicated with more components that must work together (and generate heat) than a supercharger system.

[JoonPrime]

are both types of FI a bad idea for a DD who drives quite alot??
im a daily commuter and i drive about 500-600 miles weekly, would either form of FI cause too much wear on my engine and cause it to die out fast??
im young and poor, spent my life savings on this car so it cant die on me quick....

[Turbowned]

Before you make a decision, buy this book and read it cover-to-cover. It will enlighten you as to the differences between the three and might help you decide which is best for you, as there are pros and cons to all of them:


[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Supercharging-Turbocharging-Performance-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760308373"]Supercharging, Turbocharging and Nitrous Oxide Performance (Motorbooks Workshop): Earl Davis: 9780760308370: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

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XYWJ2x2OLw/CXEiOOrQtwuEukE5IA7AO4UKFCuGp9TLXB/9k=%20[/IMG]I personally decided on a Vortech supercharger after a lot of research because of many reasons. First, it would allow me to maintain the factory catalytic converters which are important to have in the nanny state of Massachusetts (although ironically I've now gotten a cat-less header). Second, Vortech was first to market with their S/C kit and have the most hours of development time under their belt, both from their R&D and from user feedback (more kits on the road for more mileage than others). Third, of all the s/c kits out there, it seemed to offer the most peak power, which appealed to me (The Innovate S/C offers better midrange which is better for around-town driving, however). And last, there is the option to upgrade to an engine oil-cooled unit or a bigger blower in the future if I get hungry for more power. Plus they're US-based and the availability of support or replacement parts will always be there; Vortech isn't likely to shut their doors anytime soon.

I've had high performance naturally-aspirated, supercharged, and turbocharged cars in the past. All have their merits. You'll be happy either way I'm certain. The only thing this car really needs is a little more power!

Originally Posted by JoonPrime

are both types of FI a bad idea for a DD who drives quite alot??
im a daily commuter and i drive about 500-600 miles weekly, would either form of FI cause too much wear on my engine and cause it to die out fast??
im young and poor, spent my life savings on this car so it cant die on me quick....

Hmmm, well honestly I would advise against it, personally. DD'ing heavily modified cars usually doesn't work out well from my experience. Why not buy a little project car on the side and modify that? Pick up a cheap Miata or E30 BMW and turbo it; kits can be bought or you can piece your own together and really learn how it all works. I've got friends who have done it and they make for fun little sh!tboxes!

Originally Posted by JoonPrime

does a turbo vs supercharger have a difference in gas? each vendor only says their kits can get close to the same mileage under "appropriate conditions" ......

also, twin screws vs a centrifugal? it sounds to me like twins would be superior in a vast majority of ways. It seems safer as well. would a centrifugal be more powerful? sorry for these noobie questions guys!

Your fuel economy will all depend on your right foot.

Twin screw in theory is superior to a centrifugal in every way. However, based on the offerings we have for our platform, the Innovate S/C isn't as much of a performer as I would've thought. It makes more midrange power than a centrifugal S/C (which really just acts like a belt-fed turbo) but up top it seems to run out of steam whereas a centrifugal develops significantly more peak power. The Vortech and Kraftwerks/JR kits seem to make bigger peak numbers but their midrange is somewhat lacking by comparison. I'm still waiting to see numbers for an Innovate kit on 93 octane with a smaller pulley and upgraded cooling, so if anyone has a link please show me!


Here's some quick notes I took when comparing the pros and cons of different kits:

Vortech
Pros: long-standing company, high peak power, clean OEM appearance
Cons: weaker midrange power, less peak power than turbo

Innovate
Pros: best midrange power, supercharger whine, should be most reliable
Cons: weak peak power relative to centrifugal, turbo, looks very modified (not necessarily a con to everyone)

Kraftwerks/Jackson Racing
Pros: Rotrex-based system has great reputation, excellent power potential
Cons: complex separate gear drive system takes up space and creates noise (Kraftwerks), kit looks like it was grafted on (Jackson Racing)

HKS
Pros: well-established Japanese company, Rotrex-based system
Cons: expensive, low peak power, due for a revision

AVO Turboworld
Pros: discreet turbo placement, looks factory, relatively low cost
Cons: unequal length manifold (not a con for everyone), small-ish turbo

GReddy
Pros: very well-established turbo kit maker, track car running this kit uses larger turbo but boasts impressive performance
Cons: smallish turbo for street kit, expensive

Full Blown
Pros: many options to customize to user preference, good turbo selection, great power with plenty of room to grow
Cons: said options can get pricey quickly, turbo placement (probably less of a con than I think it is; I just don't like the thought of having a hot turbo right front and center of the engine bay)

There's a dozen other turbo kits out there but I'll leave that to you to research.

[JoonPrime]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Before you make a decision, buy this book and read it cover-to-cover. It will enlighten you as to the differences between the three and might help you decide which is best for you, as there are pros and cons to all of them:


Supercharging, Turbocharging and Nitrous Oxide Performance (Motorbooks Workshop): Earl Davis: 9780760308370: Amazon.com: Books

I personally decided on a Vortech supercharger after a lot of research because of many reasons. First, it would allow me to maintain the factory catalytic converters which are important to have in the nanny state of Massachusetts (although ironically I've now gotten a cat-less header). Second, Vortech was first to market with their S/C kit and have the most hours of development time under their belt, both from their R&D and from user feedback (more kits on the road for more mileage than others). Third, of all the s/c kits out there, it seemed to offer the most peak power, which appealed to me (The Innovate S/C offers better midrange which is better for around-town driving, however). And last, there is the option to upgrade to an engine oil-cooled unit or a bigger blower in the future if I get hungry for more power. Plus they're US-based and the availability of support or replacement parts will always be there; Vortech isn't likely to shut their doors anytime soon.

I've had high performance naturally-aspirated, supercharged, and turbocharged cars in the past. All have their merits. You'll be happy either way I'm certain. The only thing this car really needs is a little more power!

i will order the book, any reading i think will educate me as im pretty new lol. also, may i ask how many miles youve driven on your vortech kit? i havnt seen any posts of someone with FI more then 35k miles which slightly worries me, since by the end of one full year i will have daily driven a minimum of 25k :/

[ThisGuy919]

Originally Posted by JoonPrime

are both types of FI a bad idea for a DD who drives quite alot??
im a daily commuter and i drive about 500-600 miles weekly, would either form of FI cause too much wear on my engine and cause it to die out fast??
im young and poor, spent my life savings on this car so it cant die on me quick....

Just don't drive like a jackass everyday and you'll be fine (notice how i said everyday). Been turbo charged for a short period of time but car feels good even though i'm sitting on a base map still. If anything it just makes DD more fun and sound like a boss when hitting the on ramps. Biggest thing are supporting mods to keep things from cooking (Intercooler, oil cooler, radiator, vented hood, etc.)

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by pmccut

It was about a year ago at Thunderhill. Temps were maybe 65F max that day. I was running 91, FBM oil cooler, FBM radiator, GT2871, 15psi on the FBM 9:1 engine build. Radiator temps rose to stupid levels, near the red zone after about 2 laps. I'd take it easy for a lap until cars would catch up, push it for another lap, get right up close to the red. I didn't bother on the last session, just couldn't have fun staring at the gauge. Not sure what the oil temps were. Either way, I went in for a turbo swap to the GTX3076R a month later and found out the head gasket was blown. I had the shop replace the head gasket, replace leaking oil cooler lines, ceramic coat headers, DP, OP. It stays cooler on mountain roads but doesn't like stop and go when it's 90F.

Do you have the fan shroud? IMHO its required with the FBM kit and aids stop and go traffic cooling incredibly.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Do you have the fan shroud? IMHO its required with the FBM kit and aids stop and go traffic cooling incredibly.

Does that fan shroud fit the other radiators like Mishimoto and Koyo? Guess that would probably be a better question for FBM.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

Does that fan shroud fit the other radiators like Mishimoto and Koyo? Guess that would probably be a better question for FBM.

Yes from their thread:

Our shrouds are designed to fit our FBM Radiators, Koyo or OEM . Please specify which radiator you have at the time of ordering since the mounting points are different.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Yes from their thread:

Yep, their shroud and fans should fit the Mishi then too. Hooray for cooling and not replacing a radiator/hose I already have in the car.

Getting all the sidework parts done first before I go balls deep.