Who has upgraded... and regretted?

[Coffee]

There is much wisdom in this thread. Listen young ones.

In my case, I traded my BRZ in for a Chevy SS because getting my infant into the back seat was a pain. I regret trading it in. I miss how easy the BRZ was to hoon, how inexpensive, and how small it is.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Coffee

There is much wisdom in this thread. Listen young ones.

In my case, I traded my BRZ in for a Chevy SS because getting my infant into the back seat was a pain. I regret trading it in. I miss how easy the BRZ was to hoon, how inexpensive, and how small it is.

I hear those SS's are a hoot. Different animal for sure though - maybe the answer *is* to have two cars.

Back when I had an E36 M3 I also bought a 1st gen RX7. When I started getting used to the M3 and it didn't feel 'fast', I would switch to the RX7 and drive that for a while. The RX7 wasn't fast AT ALL, but it was just fun to toss around and rag out. When I'd switch back to the M3, it felt like a rocket ship.

It's all relative.

[EAGLE5]

How about the mid-engine vette? That's gonna be a hell of a car. Hopefully they add a nice interior and make the steering telepathic. Then the car will be a major win.

[dhuang]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

How about the mid-engine vette? That's gonna be a hell of a car. Hopefully they add a nice interior and make the steering telepathic. Then the car will be a major win.

It will be a major win if the C8's chassis can take the stress and not break the rear glass.

...and if it can stay under 6-figures.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

How about the mid-engine vette? That's gonna be a hell of a car.

yes, it'll be fast as hell.

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Hopefully they add a nice interior

They won't. We're talking about GM.

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

and make the steering telepathic.

It won't be. They already claim the current gen has the best steering ever, when it's actually pretty average compared to Euro and Japanese sports cars. The current M3 and Porsches have much better steering.

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Then the car will be a major win.

It's a Corvette, they will still sell 100s of thousands in the end because old guys who play golf.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

It's a Corvette, they will still sell 100s of thousands in the end because old guys who play golf.

Sometimes I play minigolf.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by dhuang

It will be a major win if the C8's chassis can take the stress and not break the rear glass.

...and if it can stay under 6-figures.

It will stay under six figures, no doubt. I think the added cost of making a mid-engine vs front engine car isn't that big. Single digits thousand. Tcoat or the like could probably say more accurately, as people in the biz.

[Sasquachulator]

Hearing theres some teething issues with the new C8,
having to reinforce the chassis because its got way too much power than it can actually handle, and they're trying to forgo Canbus for Cloud connectivity but having electrical problems getting that working??

yes its on autoblog….

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by AFRichZC6

Maybe that 0.4 seconds was that noticeable to me, but I'm not launching it and redlining 1st gear from every light trying to hit that 0-60 figure

Maybe fast/slow isn't the right way to describe it. In everyday driving, the Cayman S (987.1) I drove for a few weeks felt like it took less effort to keep up with traffic all around than the BRZ. Is it actually much faster from stoplight to stoplight? Probably not, but it felt like it. It was probably the longer gearing that made it feel easier.

Idk why pointing out the torque dip in a Cayman matters - it's still making more torque than the BRZ at all speeds. I didn't even notice the torque dip.

A Porsche makes a ton more power than a BRZ, of course its faster and takes less effort to get around.

A BRZ/86 drives like an "underpowered" econobox around town until you rev the hell out of it. And not just any econobox, something that is N/A like a Corolla and not turbocharged like a civic. I start thinking that nyone who thinks they need to rev the crap out of this car to get from stoplight to stoplight has never drove said econoboxes......

[AFRichZC6]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

A Porsche makes a ton more power than a BRZ, of course its faster and takes less effort to get around.

A BRZ/86 drives like an "underpowered" econobox around town until you rev the hell out of it. And not just any econobox, something that is N/A like a Corolla and not turbocharged like a civic. I start thinking that nyone who thinks they need to rev the crap out of this car to get from stoplight to stoplight has never drove said econoboxes......

I didn't know the Cayman made more power than the BRZ

I think I've come to the conclusion that having longer gearing (and the torque needed for longer gearing that comes with it) makes it easier to get around since you can hold 1st or 2nd longer and at lower rpms. That's the point I'm trying to make.

I think the BRZ's power with its current gearing offers enough tractive force in 1st and 2nd to get around just fine (breaking traction is easy). I'm not really sure if pairing the Cayman's broader powerband with the BRZ's short gearing would make things that much easier. You would still need to shift fairly soon out of 1st and 2nd.

[WolfpackS2k]

The tall gearing of the Cayman S is one of my least favorite characteristics of the car. And whether it's a first year model like mine, or even a 2017 GT4, they all have the same gearing. So dumb!

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

The tall gearing of the Cayman S is one of my least favorite characteristics of the car. And whether it's a first year model like mine, or even a 2017 GT4, they all have the same gearing. So dumb!

R&P swap?

[WolfpackS2k]

Removing the transmission and swapping out gears is a very expensive option.

[falcon_wizard]

Well, I’ve decided to upgrade my BRZ... with a built engine :-) going through break-in now, but so far it looks like increase of about +60tq, and have torque come in about 1000rpm earlier, on top of my current turbo set-up. I’m not looking for top end power, but reliability and more low end tq for daily enjoyment. Should be fun...