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ichitaka05 · 09-08-2022, 12:12 PM

Toyota & Subaru have tested turbo engine in 86 before... it goes all the way back to GT86. They even used 1.5 turbo boxer engine all the way to V6 before. With that said, snail equipped in GR86 coming? I wouldn't say 100% not a chance, but at least not for very long time. At least not from Subaru side (Political BS).

As for Yaris engine into GR86, it's different branch/department of Z (Toyota Sports Engineering) from 86 project. They're also testing different things... just using GR86 as a chassis. You can see from that swapped GR86 hood is cut inside to keep it fit. By safety, it won't pass. Can't see it, but tunnel had to be heavily cut and welded to fit. If you can find the inside photo, you can see it.

Right now, Toyota is developing something... which I'm interested in... very interested in. Is that involve GR86? No. Is that involve Yaris/GRC engine? Kinda, but not really.

That's all I can say atm

WolfpackS2k · 09-08-2022, 12:20 PM

Intriguing, but probably nothing more.

And man oh man I hate those stupid crash regs. Sports car with low hood isn't safe. But that Suburban over there, fear not, that's safe.

Ghost of Akina · 09-08-2022, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Right now, Toyota is developing something... which I'm interested in... very interested in. Is that involve GR86? No. Is that involve Yaris/GRC engine? Kinda, but not really.

That's all I can say atm

ichi you always know when to keep us guessing lol!

Toyota is really killing the sports car game right now! So happy to see so much focus on bringing fun and performance back to cars! This really is the new golden era!!

Samba86 · 09-08-2022, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Right now, Toyota is developing something... which I'm interested in... very interested in. Is that involve GR86? No. Is that involve Yaris/GRC engine? Kinda, but not really.

That's all I can say atm

I wonder if it might have something to do with that rumoured MR2... :-)

Lantanafrs2 · 09-08-2022, 05:27 PM

Im just glad the car is safe from covid.

ichitaka05 · 09-08-2022, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Samba86

I wonder if it might have something to do with that rumoured MR2... :-)

mazeroni · 09-08-2022, 07:39 PM

So it begins again, for like the hundredth time.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...orolla-engine/

R&T says that "Toyota confirmed to Road & Track it has built a small batch of GR86s powered by its G16E-GTS engine, the turbocharged 1.6-liter inline-three that powers the GR Yaris and GR Corolla. The cars, assembled by the company's Gazoo Racing division, aren't being used as production prototypes."

But, R&T's reporting is odd. I'm assuming Toyota confirmed the first part to R&T, but I'm not sure about anything after that. The last paragraph R&T quotes CarSales: "'Not all hope is lost. When asked by CarSales whether this engine could make it to production, Gazoo Racing chief engineer Naoyuki Sakamoto said: “Yes, we are thinking for the future about the possibility of using it, but there are no concrete plans at the moment.'"

So I don't know if Toyota confirmed to R&T that they are "thinking for the future about the possibility of using it, but there are no concrete plans at the moment.'" according Naoyuki Sakamoto.

That last part could easily have been an engineer offhandedly making what he thinks is a benign comment because those discussions have taken place, even if it is over drinks at a bar.

For now, it sounds like Toyota can confirm that it fits and and presumable is drivable. However, it doesn't sound like they have actually tested it in a production car for the purpose of developing a road version. Is the transmission durable enough over 100,000 mi. to handle 270~300 hp reliably? Probably a lot would need to change to the point that it would cost $45K. At that point, well... the Supra...

whataboutbob · 09-08-2022, 11:02 PM

Anything to be rid of garbage Subaru motors.

x808drifter · 09-09-2022, 03:57 AM

A simple Google search gave me this...
Per Wikipedia
G16
A de-stroked variation of the G16E-GTS engine with a displacement of 1.4 L (85.4 cu in), which is compatible with synthetic fuel, is used by the GR86 for the 2022 Super Taikyu series. The stroke has been reduced from 89.7 mm (3.531 in) to 77 mm (3.031 in).

Lelandjt · 09-09-2022, 10:59 AM

Now that the car's been on sale for most of a year I think some of the arguments we heard against a turbo version have evaporated:
Toyota can see they have a hit on their hands because it sells every car as soon as it arrives at a dealer so it can be more than a low volume model.
People ARE willing to spend the supposed $10k more that a turbo would cost because they're spending that just for dealer markup.
Stealing sales from the Supra 2.0 is a non-issue because no one's buying that car anyway. It's a dud while the GR86 is a hit. You focus on your winners, not worrying about saving sales of a non-seller that you have to buy from BMW before you can even sell it.
While a year and a half ago I thought there was basically no chance of seeing a turbo model, now I think there's a decent chance.

Tcoat · 09-09-2022, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lelandjt

Now that the car's been on sale for most of a year I think some of the arguments we heard against a turbo version have evaporated:
Toyota can see they have a hit on their hands because it sells every car as soon as it arrives at a dealer so it can be more than a low volume model.
People ARE willing to spend the supposed $10k more that a turbo would cost because they're spending that just for dealer markup.
Stealing sales from the Supra 2.0 is a non-issue because no one's buying that car anyway. It's a dud while the GR86 is a hit. You focus on your winners, not worrying about saving sales of a non-seller that you have to buy from BMW before you can even sell it.
While a year and a half ago I thought there was basically no chance of seeing a turbo model, now I think there's a decent chance.

There is still zero chance. You are trying to rationalize a business case that just isn't there. They sold every car that hit the lots for the first 3 years of the first gen and there is no turbo.
As they said this is a one race series engine to trial different fuels. Reading more into that is just a pipe dream.
This whole "Saving sales for Supra" is another piece of fiction that get's bantered around by people that think they know better than Toyota. The Supra has sold just fine with everything made sold and if they wanted a turbo 86 they would just build it.

bcj · 09-09-2022, 11:57 AM

If they weren't so focused on running engines straight up and down, there would be plenty of room under the hood, or the boot lid for that matter.
Put them on a slant like the Chrysler 6. Was a solid performer and still is.
Since we're spending other peoples' money, make it a dry sump and cut another 9 inches off the bottom.

They even had a supercharged 4x4 unit on it's side in the Previa for years.

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mav1178 · 09-09-2022, 01:04 PM

I really wish all the market experts on forums were around in the early 2000s when Nissan decided to can the R34 + S15... oh wait.

Tcoat · 09-09-2022, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178

I really wish all the market experts on forums were around in the early 2000s when Nissan decided to can the R34 + S15... oh wait.

Half weren't born yet

09-08-2022, 12:12 PM	#29
ichitaka05 Site Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: ichi 86 Project Location: Middle of No where Posts: 20,976 Thanks: 7,672 Thanked 19,096 Times in 8,333 Posts Mentioned: 678 Post(s) Tagged: 27 Thread(s)	Toyota & Subaru have tested turbo engine in 86 before... it goes all the way back to GT86. They even used 1.5 turbo boxer engine all the way to V6 before. With that said, snail equipped in GR86 coming? I wouldn't say 100% not a chance, but at least not for very long time. At least not from Subaru side (Political BS). As for Yaris engine into GR86, it's different branch/department of Z (Toyota Sports Engineering) from 86 project. They're also testing different things... just using GR86 as a chassis. You can see from that swapped GR86 hood is cut inside to keep it fit. By safety, it won't pass. Can't see it, but tunnel had to be heavily cut and welded to fit. If you can find the inside photo, you can see it. Right now, Toyota is developing something... which I'm interested in... very interested in. Is that involve GR86? No. Is that involve Yaris/GRC engine? Kinda, but not really. That's all I can say atm __________________

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