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[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by spike021

But you aren't.

One is literally a long-term fix, the other is a short-term fix.

You could've spouted the same shit 1 year ago and hundreds of thousands would've still died. Maybe if you'd spouted that same shit 10 years ago fewer would've died, but clearly it's impossible to go back in time.

So again, tell me how an immediately-accessible vaccine (that is FDA-approved!!) is a worse option than "hey guys, start eating healthier and exercising so that maybe in the next few years if you get COVID you _might_ do a little better".

If you think obese people can suddenly turn un-obese in the span of 6 months, good luck.

What do you think is more challenging.

Not doing something you want to do?
Or
Doing something you don’t want to do?

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

I’m contributing an alternative perspective. Or rather an alternative method for combating the virus.

Here I can sum up 90% of all past, present, and future posts on this thread including yours.
Get vaccinated.

Ok, now thats out of the way. What’s left to discuss? Maybe alternative views and perspectives perhaps?

You're solution has merits. But it's about time. One will take substantially more time to fix than the other. So no, it's not a viable solution.

[wbradley]

If you wake up gasping to breathe tomorrow, Jenny Craig isn't going to save you.

86TOYO2K17, maybe you need some Ritalin.

Squirrel!

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by weederr33

You're solution has merits. But it's about time. One will take substantially more time to fix than the other. So no, it's not a viable solution.

Not if you use the same approach as the vaccine that most people on this thread are ok with, mandates, fines, different level of care/cost etc... apply that equally and see how long it takes.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by wbradley

If you wake up gasping to breathe tomorrow, Jenny Craig isn't going to save you.

86TOYO2K17, maybe you need some Ritalin.

Squirrel!

neither will the vaccine.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

neither will the vaccine.

Really? No offense but do you have learning difficulties? In a few weeks a person has up to 95% protection from illness requiring hospitalization with the vaccines.

How long does ending obesity take? And what can you provide as a measurement of protection?

Why do I bother?

My observation is that deniers pick and choose to fit their own narratives.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Not if you use the same approach as the vaccine that most people on this thread are ok with, mandates, fines, different level of care/cost etc... apply that equally and see how long it takes.

Lol bruh there isn't a way to make fat just disappear unless everyone gets liposuction. And even then there is superficial and deep fat. Plus mandating everyone lose weight will still take longer and be much more time consuming than a vaccine.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Really? No offense but do you have learning difficulties? In a few weeks a person has up to 95% protection from illness requiring hospitalization with the vaccines.

How long does ending obesity take? And what can you provide as a measurement of protection?

Why do I bother?

My observation is that deniers pick and choose to fit their own narratives.

You stated “ If you wake up gasping to breathe tomorrow, Jenny Craig isn't going to save you.”

Now reread that replacing “Jenny Craig” with “the vaccine”

What is the vaccine going to do if you woke up gasping to breathe?

1 year to end it at the extreme end, which is shorter timeline than getting vaccine available to everyone

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

You stated “ If you wake up gasping to breathe tomorrow, Jenny Craig isn't going to save you.”

Now reread that replacing “Jenny Craig” with “the vaccine”

What is the vaccine going to do if you woke up gasping to breathe?

1 year to end it at the extreme end, which is shorter timeline than getting vaccine available to everyone

In the US, the vaccine is available to everyone.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

neither will the vaccine.

Data suggests the vaccine will still improve your chance of surviving it.
Your initial assertions contain some questionable data - I'd be interested in the sources. Your suggestion has general health benefits to be sure, but certainly is not a reasonable alternative to being vaccinated. It might dent deaths a little, but not rate of infection or spread, and those are the numbers we need to reduce (in doing so we also reduce deaths of course)

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Lol bruh there isn't a way to make fat just disappear unless everyone gets liposuction. And even then there is superficial and deep fat. Plus mandating everyone lose weight will still take longer and be much more time consuming than a vaccine.

anyone can drop 1% of Total body weight per week doing so in a healthy manner. Many people would be substantially healthier dropping even just 10% of total body weight. For obese and morbidly obese individuals that number could be 20-50% which would be 20-50 weeks.

Take longer than a vaccine, at this point starting today sure, starting Feb 2020 they would have been done before 2021. But you never heard any talk about methods to strengthening natural immune system, and to better be able to cope with and handle fighting off the virus if infected. It was always lock down, masks, vaccine, mandates etc...

The same measures you are willing to take to get everyone vaccinated do the same to end obesity.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

The same measures you are willing to take to get everyone vaccinated do the same to end obesity.

So you are suggesting that the cure for COVID-19 is to reduce obesity. Do you have numeric statistics showing the increased risk of COVID-19 hospitalizations due to being obese? I'm willing to consider it if there is a correlation anywhere near the ballpark of the vaccine. We would still have to prove causation, and then come up with a way to promote it, how much resistance that would face, and the chances of weight loss success vs just getting an inoculation. Additionally, we would need to look at incubation time and transmissibility before I could get on board.

I think it's an interesting idea, and you should pursue further research. Let us know when you have some reliable data.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by cjd

Data suggests the vaccine will still improve your chance of surviving it.
Your initial assertions contain some questionable data - I'd be interested in the sources. Your suggestion has general health benefits to be sure, but certainly is not a reasonable alternative to being vaccinated. It might dent deaths a little, but not rate of infection or spread, and those are the numbers we need to reduce (in doing so we also reduce deaths of course)

So you are suggesting If I wake up tomorrow struggling to breath, and then administer the vaccine at the moment it will provide benefit?

From the CDC

"Obesity Worsens Outcomes from COVID-19
Adults with excess weight are at even greater risk during the COVID-19 pandemic:

Having obesity increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People who are overweight may also be at increased risk.
Having obesity may triple the risk of hospitalization due to a COVID-19 infection.
Obesity is linked to impaired immune function.2,3
Obesity decreases lung capacity and reserve and can make ventilation more difficult.4
A study of COVID-19 cases suggests that risks of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death are higher with increasing BMI.5
The increased risk for hospitalization or death was particularly pronounced in those under age 65. 5
More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6
Children diagnosed with obesity may suffer worse outcomes from COVID-19. In a study of COVID-19 cases in patients aged 18 years and younger, having obesity was associated with a 3.07 times higher risk of hospitalization and a 1.42 times higher risk of severe illness (intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, or death) when hospitalized.7"



We should also be targeting cigerett smokers.

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States
Total economic cost of smoking is more than $300 billion a year

Here is obesity numbers
Obesity is responsible for 300,000 deaths per year in the united states
Total econmic cost of obesity is more than $190 billion a year.


Think of the cost and stress on the medical system, all the ER beds etc.. being occupied by preventable causes. These beds could be used for covid patience.

some more information on smokers

Smoking doubles your risk of developing respiratory infections.
Smoking doubles your risk of getting sicker from COVID-19.
Vaping can also harm lung health.


So yeah ending obesity will have a drastic improvement to covid deaths and spreading of covid. in addition to all the benefits un related to covid.
Same with ending smoking.

People talk about the burden on our health system, and cost of covid and people choosing to not get vaccinated etc...

Apply the same rational to obesity and cigarette smokers since they are costing us way more. Both related to Covid and unrelated.

[MuseChaser]

Some additional relevant statistics from our county that I posted in post #809..

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=809