Toyota Debuts All New GR 86 - North America Release / Info!

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

I've done that a couple of times (a Mazda Miata, and a Honda del Sol), when a car in stock had a spoiler I didn't want and a friendly dealer was willing to swap trunk lids.

I figure it would be a win-win for them. Put it on another car and add a $1K markup on it as a "dealer accessory." Only cost them an hour or two labor.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

I've done that a couple of times (a Mazda Miata, and a Honda del Sol), when a car in stock had a spoiler I didn't want and a friendly dealer was willing to swap trunk lids.

The key is finding a friendly dealer. Not all want to be bothered with something like this. Sometimes there can also be the complications of key or in this case remote control solenoid for opening the trunk or other related parts that would need to be swapped.

In the past I've pitched it to dealers that by doing this, they can charge extra for the car they put the spoiler on, since now it has an additional 'option'. I don't want any 'discount' for removing the spoiler, just their labor to swap them out.

Still many questions, ifs, and buts before any buying decisions are made. But to my admittedly old-school curmudgeonly eyes, that hideous duck tail would be an absolute deal-breaker. I wouldn't buy a car with one (the spoiler on my stock 2019 BRZ was almost a deal killer).

What is old school though?

Duck bills have been defining sports cars _forever_, its the separate skinny wing like your stock 2019 this is new school I would suggest.

WE NEED MORE LOVE FOR THE DUCKS!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Blighty

What is old school though?

Duck bills have been defining sports cars _forever_, its the separate skinny wing like your stock 2019 this is new school I would suggest.

Wrong end of duck! Duck *tail*, not bill. Though I guess maybe the old non-turbo 911 whaletail (aka "tea tray") did look more like a flat bill (at the wrong end of car/duck) than a kicked-up tail... This new 86's spoiler is definitely taking "ducktail" more literally though, usually it's a spoiler that runs fairly evenly across the rear of the car, this one is a lot more 3D, much more substantial in the middle and rapidly diminishing at the sides, more like an actual duck's tail...

[chipmunk]

I guess for most of us, when we think about ducks, we often think of Donald or Scrooge McDuck, Daisy or Daffy.
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[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Wrong end of duck! Duck *tail*, not bill. Though I guess maybe the old non-turbo 911 whaletail (aka "tea tray") did look more like a flat bill (at the wrong end of car/duck) than a kicked-up tail... This new 86's spoiler is definitely taking "ducktail" more literally though, usually it's a spoiler that runs fairly evenly across the rear of the car, this one is a lot more 3D, much more substantial in the middle and rapidly diminishing at the sides, more like an actual duck's tail...

Originally Posted by chipmunk

I guess for most of us, when we think about ducks, we often think of Donald or Scrooge McDuck, Daisy or Daffy.
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Duck Tail or D.A. is a hairstyle popular in the 50's which looks nothing like the rear end of the GR86. I'll yield to Duckbill for the GR86 description.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Wrong end of duck! Duck *tail*, not bill. Though I guess maybe the old non-turbo 911 whaletail (aka "tea tray") did look more like a flat bill (at the wrong end of car/duck) than a kicked-up tail... This new 86's spoiler is definitely taking "ducktail" more literally though, usually it's a spoiler that runs fairly evenly across the rear of the car, this one is a lot more 3D, much more substantial in the middle and rapidly diminishing at the sides, more like an actual duck's tail...

I was hoping somebody would point that out. The upswept trunk spoiler is not now nor never has been called a duck "bill". It has always been a duck "tail". Guess it now is part of the terminology up there with "fitment" since there are the usual crowd trying to rationalize the use of "bill".

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by StE92ve

Duck Tail or D.A. is a hairstyle popular in the 50's which looks nothing like the rear end of the GR86. I'll yield to Duckbill for the GR86 description.

Look at their tails. LOOK at them!





Now look at the real shape of their bills.

[mazeroni]

I'm glad I woke up to this debate. More duck butts please.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Look at their tails. LOOK at them!





Now look at the real shape of their bills.

Don't even know why we're even having this conversation since the GR86 is a vehicle not a duck. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck, which a GR86 is definitely not!

[chipmunk]

I gotta give it to y'all resident duck experts on this one - Toyota took Subaru's duck bill and took it to the extreme and made it a duck tail!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by StE92ve

Don't even know why we're even having this conversation since the GR86 is a vehicle not a duck. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck, which a GR86 is definitely not!

Every day their out there making duckrails.

Woo Hoo

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Every day their out there making duckrails.

Woo Hoo

Are we talking about duck tails or Ducktales?

[Cephas]

All I know is if it weighs the same as a duck it's a witch.

[shiftless]

I normally hate any spoilers (although I liked the one on my B13 SE-R because otherwise it would look too much like a humble Sentra) but I am fond of ducktails.

I think whaletails and all GT3 spoilers look like cheesy garbage on street Porsches. I now they serve a purpose but just not a fan. Ruin the lines of the car. Little ducktails are pretty cool though.

I'd avoid 18 inch wheels though. Would rather have 17s with beefier rubber. Bent too many wheels on my E39/46's even with 45 spec tires.