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12-06-2020, 11:49 AM | #1079 |
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My only gripe: I suspect there's a large market of people like me who would pay $40,000-50,000 for a higher trim version if it were available. The Corvette/Supra/Cayman aren't quite what we want and the cost cutting on the BRZ/86 is annoying. The dream is for an STi/TRD version with turbo, nicer everything (no steel in the suspension!), and a dual clutch replacing the auto option. That's what Toyota should have done instead of bringing the Supra back and I think it would have been a nice complement to Subaru's lineup since the WRX/STi is a very different type of car. |
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12-06-2020, 12:50 PM | #1081 |
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I wonder how things would have turned out if they had brought the FR-S as a Celica and a big power version as the Celica Supra instead. I don’t think we would have seen a turbo I6 in any hypothetical, though, so people would have been pissed regardless.
FWIW, I like both the first gen and the 2nd gen twins. They both have great proportions and that is half the battle of making a good looking car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
12-06-2020, 12:59 PM | #1082 |
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I don't think the people running Subaru and Toyota are dumb. Toyota didn't become the largest car company in the world by repeatedly making mistakes. Even though the BRZ is a niche product that didn't and won't sell in large volumes, I'm sure they'd still prefer to sell more of them than less (which would be good for all of us, because the more they sell, the greater the chances it will stay in production or maybe even see a third generation someday).
I suspect one of the things they thought about was not only appealing to current BRZ/86 owners, but how to expand the market and bring in new buyers. If all they did was try and get some current owners to change, the sales would be even lower than the first generation car because not everyone would do it. They need to expand the potential pool of buyers, and that means offering things that would attract people who didn't buy the first generation car. I'm assuming those kinds of design and other features have been incorporated into the second generation car. They're probably banking on attracting more new buyers than current owners who might be turned off by them (such as the 'new' styling direction). @Lelandjt, I hear you about potential buyers who might be willing to spend $40-$50,000 for a higher trim version. I'm also one of those people, especially for what will almost certainly end up being my last 'sports' car (and manual transmission). I wouldn't (yet...) buy a car without a manual transmission so that rules out the Corvette; I don't want a Ger-mahn car because of the high maintenance costs and questionable reliability so that rules out the Cayman and Supra (plus the Supra is automatic only, and the Cayman is also out of my budget). For those willing to spend a little more, I think the answer might be the new Nissan Z. Assuming we get to the other side of the pandemic alive, I'm very much looking forward to multiple long test drives of both cars (preferably back-to-back on the same day). Though, with my less than satisfying past experiences with Nissan dealers and their slimy sales practices and 'ethics', I suspect it might be a while before it will be possible to find a Z at a reasonable price. My crystal ball predicts a lot of hype and usurious ADMs and other sleazy dealer games with the new Z for a while. |
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I used to be into Camaros. I’ve owned 3 1969s, including a Z28, three 1978s, two of which were Z28s, and a 1985 IROC Z. As I got older, I got more interested in small Japanese cars that handled well, and mostly moved on to them. My point is that I thought all three initial generations of the Camaro were good looking cars. I voted with my wallet and bought a few. My first was a 1978 Z28, but for me the best looking were the ones I bought later, the ‘69s. I buy based primarily on looks, and how a car handles, not how much power a car has. A monkey can mash a gas pedal, and no matter how quick your car is, there are always quicker ones, close by and in your city or town. But if a car is set up to handle really sweetly, it’s fun as hell, even if others are faster around a track somewhere. And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, all of the above musings are just MY OPINION about what suits ME. Your results may vary. Time will indeed tell which car is viewed better. That said I’ve got 10 bucks all day that says the first gen car goes down as the superior car from a styling perspective. The new car may well go down as the superior performance car, but that remains to be seen. |
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Fully electric sports cars will, of course, not sound like ICE ones. This will be a huge loss to the driving experience, even if they handle and accelerate better. I have actually thought they could get around this by producing special ‘hybrid’ sports cars where the electric engines provide most or all the power to drive the car, but a small little IC engine is included (ideally mid rear engined, right behind the front seats) to power ancillaries and help recharge the batteries. Of course, the little IC engine would also be tuned to provide a pleasing engine note. Since it doesn’t need to propel the car the IC engine could be very small and thus fuel efficient. I can’t fully claim credit for this idea, I believe Mazda was toying with this idea to make a new rotary RX car feasible (i.e. the rotary engine would be a range extender and used to recharge the main batteries, as well as provide an engine to listen to for the driver). Quote:
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I don't like the design of the new interior as much either, the curved dash was reminiscent of a ton of old small coupes and the new one seems less cockpit looking to me. I did think the materials seemed improved from pics but after watching a few videos it seems no different there from what I can tell, and the passenger side shelf thing seems awkward and looks to cut down on actual leg room.
I enjoy both na and turbo engines so I'm interested see all aspects of what gets tried with the new fa24. To me it seems the new ones won't be as receptive to boost but money can fix anything. I didn't turbo my first brz but have considered that with my ts, I do wonder if the fa20 ends up being the more tuner friendly engine while the fa24 is more the maxed out factory option. It'll be pretty cool on e85 but that isnt really available around my area. Edit: I came from the FD world so nothing will ever top a rotary for me, from the smoothness to sounding like a turbine, my experience was great. |
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Plenty of enthusiasts like the new '22 car's styling better. In the s2ki thread nobody is troubled by the new styling, and the first post calls it "better looking." I think it looks great. Not perfect, but neither is the current model.
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Did you know that "fugly" is a portmanteau of "fat" and "ugly"? I ask because I haven't heard anyone describe the new car as fat, portly, bulbous, or any similar adjective. I could see that thrown at the Supra for all its round protrusions but I think you got mixed up describing the new BRZ.
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Yeah, I'll have to give the new Z a serious look but I suspect it'll be too heavy and feel too heavy. I just really like the feel of light cars/bikes/motorcycles. By my standards the BRZ is even too heavy considering it's the same weight as my '98 Outback Sport and '12 Mazda 3 that were both 4 door hatchbacks. Unfortunately current safety standards seem to dictate that unless you give up all practicality 2800ish is as light as a car gets and if any attention is taken away from "lightness" a car will weigh at least 3300lbs. Isn't it bizarre these days that little cars like the Cayman and Evora are over 3000lbs and pure sports cars like the Corvette and Supra are a quarter ton more? How that was considered acceptable by the design teams is beyond me.
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J/k! To each his own and it’s a good thing we have differing tastes. It’s great that there are people who like the way the car looks and will buy it. That’s the only way the segment survives. |
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I came from the same world. My first Wankel 'vehicle' was a 1975 Suzuki RE5 motorcycle I bought in 1977 as a new unsold leftover. Then a 1974 Mazda RX4, and more recently, a couple of RX8's. Despite all the inherent design limitations of rotary engines, I absolutely love them. I sorely miss my last RX8...
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