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01-13-2020, 03:45 PM | #29 | |
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You right about that. But since we don't know what OP consider a proper GT, I went with mine (I'm 37 years old). Let's just say that any twin would kick the ass of an older "GT". That doesn't mean that older GT's were not good, it's just that cars have evolved so much that the comparaison is really hard to make. I think we can agree that it would be easier to "transform" a twin in an older days GT than a modern one. In fact, looking at your suggestions, it's already an "old GT". Very interresting thread OP... |
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Too many words and phrases have become over used, misused and out-rightly abused. Words like rare and exotic or terms like limited edition and one-of-a-kind come to mind. I feel that GT (Gran Turismo) has been so abused as well. YMMV |
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I've driven a car with stripped rear interior and have my rear seats down 90% of the time. I do know it makes a big difference. |
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The best mod IMO to make it a good GT car would be sell it and use the money to fund a GT car like a Supra or some other typical RWD car.
Why, because the twins are cheap sports coupes, not GT cars. Disclaimer: in saying that I'm not a real fan of the "Zupra". Well, I would own one but flip it prior to warranty running out, though I may be proven wrong with my view of long term reliability of the Toyota and Bavarian marriage. Lets see how the Zupra goes reliability wise over the next year or three.
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I agree with the upgraded speakers I guess. But thats just something I personally would like. If you want a “real” GT, you’d have to make so many changes that you would end up with an Infinity, BMW or some other luxury car. It’s a Toyota, at the end of the day
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I would drive my MGB GT for a couple of weeks in order to fully appreciate what a great GT the FRS really is.
Longest drive was Sturgis SD to London Ontario, solo and non-stop. I had food, tunes, a safe comfy seat and an entertaining chassis. What more do you want in a long distance cruiser? |
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Comparing the M4 to the FR-S, the main difference is going to be sound deadening, better audio system, more adjustment in the seats, and adjustable suspension. The M4 door panels is like solid with no hollow sound when you knock on it as compared to the FR-S, it's super hollow. Too much NVH from the FR-S. The seals aren't good and the body is pretty hollow. The seat adjustment in the FR-S is too heavily bolstered for long drives IMO, and in my F82, I can make it more aggressive in the bolstering or loosen it up. The suspension in the M4 can be really stiff in Sport+, but there is also comfort mode which makes it floaty. The FR-S is always in racecar mode which can make the ride pretty harsh and it's not adaptive.
It's very easy to hear that the FR-S headunit leaves much to be desired. Easily blown away by the HK System in the M4. However, adding all of this, means extra weight -- which means the FR-S will need more power. The M4 with a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds and 425 HP and 406 ft/lbs of torque @ 1200 RPM....handles it with ease. I feel that the FA20 is under engineered, the HP and Torque with fuel economy of like 21-23 MPG is ridiculous. The S55 is a higher displacement, higher HP (double HP of the FA20 and almost triple the torque) more cylinders, and I average 22ish MPG (probably due to less throttle to blow the doors off almost all the cars on the road). Granted, the M4 is almost triple the cost lol.
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I've yet to have that problem in my manual BRZ, even while driving home after a long day at autocross. |
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IMO a GT is a 2 door with enough power to hold it's own, is competent in most situations and conditions, is quiet enough inside that you don't go nuts after a couple of hundred miles, the suspension is compliant enough that you're not hammered each time you need to stop for gas but it handles well enough on back roads that you would choose them over Interstates, there's enough storage for a couple to travel for a few days and the seats are supportive but not hard so you can spend a full tank worth behind the wheel without feeling like you have to get up and stretch. To get this car there it needs a lot of sound insulation, 16's with at least a 50 series tire but 55 would probably be better, adjustable suspension so it can still be comfy on the inevitable stretch of rotten road and the seats need a better bottom cushion, adjustable lumbar support and adjustable thigh support. In other words it needs the Volvo seat designer to do his thing and whoever laid out the sound insulation in the Caddy CTS-V to do their thing. |
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The m4 is the definition of a luxobarge. |
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