Spec Twin?

[chkltcow]

I don't know that there is a magic setup. Everything comes down to driving style and preference as well as site. I've liked how my car felt with stiff rear swaybars when I drove it that way. Christy convinced me to go with a soft rear bar to settle the car down (if any of you saw my runs at Dixie, you'll know it didn't), and there wasn't time between run groups to switch back to stiff.

I've gone back to stiff in the rear for ZMax. We'll see how it goes. I'm still gonna have to drive my ass off to hang with Mike.

[tony_r]

No one size fits all, for sure. But I guarantee there will be some settings which will be universal, case and point is max front camber for everyone. My suggestion is that, based on testing our cars back to back, the rear bar on hard will be another universal setting.

Front bar on hard will depend on how you can get the car to rotate in the low speed corners. Pulling rear spacers or upping rear pressures might work, as will taking out rear toe.

[steverife]

Interesting.

I only have 1 event under my belt and I've still got temp tags on the car, but so far, the car does pretty much the opposite of everything I want the car to do.

Looking forward to trying some different settings at Charlotte.

[tony_r]

Originally Posted by steverife

I only have 1 event under my belt and I've still got temp tags on the car, but so far, the car does pretty much the opposite of everything I want the car to do.

This was pretty much us after we put the Falkens on, and some of the settings which work on the car are against conventional wisdom. It takes a bit of adjustment in driving style coming from the MR2, as well.

[chkltcow]

Those of you who have driven in.... "weather".... how are these tires in standing water. Forecast for Friday morning at ZMax doesn't entirely look promising.

[blkwrxwag]

Completely fine... not as good as a RE71R, but plenty good enough.

[jorober5]

Better with more tread. I had full tread in Ft. Myers and I was significantly faster than the guys who, in the dry, ended up ahead of me.

[BoxCarRacer]

You guys have fun! Still waiting on my wheels to show up and some SmartStrings

[steverife]

zMax was fun.

I finally got the car workable for Saturday. Still off the standard set by Mike and I wish they had stuck around to raise the bar even more, but it was a big progress weekend for me.

Really looking forward to Blytheville.

[steverife]

Originally Posted by tony_r

Haha, thanks. At soft/hard, full stiff shocks. Works well at this site, probably at other lower grip asphalt lots as well. Rear toe is a big deal on these cars, going from 1/8" total in to 1/4" made a very noticeable difference in stability.

Getting any wheelspin/wheelhop at full stiff, hard bar on the rear?

I tried it at Charlotte and while I loved the balance, I thought I was going to break the car coming out of turns. I definitely like the rear bar at hard, though.

Could what I was getting possibly be the computer interfering?

[jprice130]

Originally Posted by steverife

zMax was fun.

I finally got the car workable for Saturday. Still off the standard set by Mike and I wish they had stuck around to raise the bar even more, but it was a big progress weekend for me.

Really looking forward to Blytheville.

It was nice to meet you Steve and glad to hear you enjoyed coming out to ZMAX. There will be at least 4-5 of us running locally in SSC at ZMAX this year, so I hope you can join us for more events later this season (of course, that goes for anyone else in the SE too!). A few of us will be making the trip to Bristol in July, so we'll see you then as well.

[TMF]

For the sake of discussion....putting the rear bar on hard, rear struts on hard....and then adding 1/4" of toe-in in the rear seems counter-intuitive.

Granted I haven't driven the FRS in SSC trim yet (Minnesota still has snow on the ground and foretasted for another 3-7 inches by tomorrow), I have driven the car a fair amount in both CS and DS trim. In both CS/DS, the rear was always a bit loose on corner exit, and I was running nearly full soft struts in the rear and stock rear bar in DS (TRD bars f and r in CS). In hindsight, I should have tried adding some toe-in in the rear for more stability.

So on paper for SSC, wouldn't it make sense to run the rear struts on full soft (or somewhere in the middle), rear bar on on soft, and a touch of rear toe-in? I guess the biggest difference between CS/DS trim is that the front Eibach bar is pretty big....perhaps that is throwing off the balance for the rear?

What about rear camber? I'm used to "give me all the negative I can get!" in the front, and the rear is, "you get what you get!"

[tony_r]

It totally is and that's what I said a few pages back. Setting up this car is backwards. Our setup on BFGs was totally opposite. The Falkens don't take big movements well, or multiple inputs. Hard rear bar keeps it off the rear stops for the most part, big rebound softens the movement all around. Works on asphalt well.

[steverife]

Originally Posted by TMF

For the sake of discussion....putting the rear bar on hard, rear struts on hard....and then adding 1/4" of toe-in in the rear seems counter-intuitive.

Granted I haven't driven the FRS in SSC trim yet (Minnesota still has snow on the ground and foretasted for another 3-7 inches by tomorrow), I have driven the car a fair amount in both CS and DS trim. In both CS/DS, the rear was always a bit loose on corner exit, and I was running nearly full soft struts in the rear and stock rear bar in DS (TRD bars f and r in CS). In hindsight, I should have tried adding some toe-in in the rear for more stability.

So on paper for SSC, wouldn't it make sense to run the rear struts on full soft (or somewhere in the middle), rear bar on on soft, and a touch of rear toe-in? I guess the biggest difference between CS/DS trim is that the front Eibach bar is pretty big....perhaps that is throwing off the balance for the rear?

What about rear camber? I'm used to "give me all the negative I can get!" in the front, and the rear is, "you get what you get!"

That is where I started with the car in Dixie and the car basically curbstomped puppies and took teddy bears from sick kids on exit.

A big drop on rear pressures and going full stiff on rebound upgraded the car to too loose. Going hard on rear bar gave the car controllable rotation mid-corner and on exit.