Should I go AT or MT?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by kakacarrotcake

Well then I suppose it's just personal preference at this point. I'll be the first to admit there's a lot I still don't know about the platform. Is there information on that available in the issues forum? I always kind of figured MT > AT in terms of reliability, especially after owning several older Hondas.

Oh, of course! It was a surprise (letdown) for me as well. I am on my second transmission. My first is on my workbench waiting for some apologetic TLC.

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I'm not always the best at explaining my viewpoint. This time I decided to throw away my High-Road cape and just have fun.

Same goes for me (not always the best at explaining my viewpoint). LOL - I picked up that high-road cape bait you tossed off and got drawn in.
All in good fun, sir.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Overdrive

And you don't think people have enough sense to read the former and say, "hm, that's useful" and read the latter and say, "gee, thanks for nothing" and need someone to help them trim out the useless stuff? If they're coming here looking for info, one should assume they're going to think critically about any responses they're going to get, knowing that not everyone strives to actually be helpful on the Internet. If the only response to this thread was "MT or go home" I would hope the OP would ask for some elaboration and not just take that statement as gospel. If they did, though.... well, that's on them.

Yes. Yes I do! We see it here every single day.

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Thank you. You said it much better than I would have.

I've tilted at many a windmill in my earlier years. People are going to do as they wish.

It's been a couple years since I've participated in an AT-vs-MT thread. I hope I've done the topic some justice here. I'm not always the best at explaining my viewpoint. This time I decided to throw away my High-Road cape and just have fun.

We may have gone a bit too far with our quasi mock debate and convinced people we were firmly in one camp!

Freakin' MT elitist.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by shiumai

All in good fun, sir.

Amen! And not a hint of trolling. Tcoat did his best to bait me early on but I knew what he was doing. The only difference in this thread was that I didn't go out of my way to apologize for my MT preference.

If someone were to say "I can ski pretty well. Should I buy skis, or get a snowboard?"

Never going to know unless you actually invest the time and money into learning how. In order to get really competent, you have to get your own gear and learn the subtle effects of each tweak. If you don't go all in you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Being really good with a manual transmission can be a reward unto itself. People either feel it, or they don't.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Freakin' MT elitist.

Goody two shoes!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Amen! And not a hint of trolling. Tcoat did his best to bait me early on but I knew what he was doing. The only difference in this thread was that I didn't go out of my way to apologize for my MT preference.

If someone were to say "I can ski pretty well. Should I buy skis, or get a snowboard?"

Never going to know unless you actually invest the time and money into learning how. In order to get really competent, you have to get your own gear and learn the subtle effects of each tweak. If you don't go all in you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Being really good with a manual transmission can be a reward unto itself. People either feel it, or they don't.



Goody two shoes!

Snow shoes!!!!!


I still stand behind the content of what I said before. It was just the manner in which I said it that was the bait.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Twinz

I have a 2015 AT and a 2016 MT.

I recommend the AT for the OP, unless he thinks he may someday compete with it. The Twins' AT is my favorite slush-box of all the AT's I have driven at the track, but it gives up too much time to the MT on the launch. I have not ran data on them back to back, but I suspect the auto gives up a little time on course too. The launch is the place the butt dyno notices it most.

I love the MT when driving at, or near the limit, but I prefer our auto for driving around town and road trips. ...and the AT is still plenty fun for "spirited" driving. I like the AT "sport" mode. (not to be confused with the stability system's "sport" mode which I am not a fan of)

Actually when you go read the articles at the release of the car everyone admits the A/T was faster around the course they were using. The M/T's gears are almost too close together.

[FR-Sky]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Amen! And not a hint of trolling. Tcoat did his best to bait me early on but I knew what he was doing. The only difference in this thread was that I didn't go out of my way to apologize for my MT preference.

If someone were to say "I can ski pretty well. Should I buy skis, or get a snowboard?"

Never going to know unless you actually invest the time and money into learning how. In order to get really competent, you have to get your own gear and learn the subtle effects of each tweak. If you don't go all in you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Being really good with a manual transmission can be a reward unto itself. People either feel it, or they don't.



Goody two shoes!

"Being really good with a manual transmission can be a reward unto itself. People either feel it, or they don't."

Thats really true actually...when you drive MT like your hand and feet..that feeling..just amazing.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Snow shoes!!!!!


I still stand behind the content of what I said before. It was just the manner in which I said it that was the bait.

Oh, of course!

[Twinz]

Originally Posted by why?

Actually when you go read the articles at the release of the car everyone admits the A/T was faster around the course they were using. The M/T's gears are almost too close together.

My wife and I ran both of the cars at our test n tune, bone stock. We even left the spare tire and trunk stuff in.

I was faster in the MT (I did a few laps in both). My wife didn't drive the MT until after I prepped it for CS, so she never got to AB apples to apples.

IIRC, I was about 3/4 second faster on the ~30 second course. Most of that is probably in the launch, but it's unlikley the launch itself was .75 seconds faster than the auto.

I could see the AT having an advantage on a course where the speeds require a lot of shifting in critical turns, but I doubt the gap created at the launch could be overcome on a 60-70 second competition course.

[xuimod]

The AT on the twins is really good. I also drive a Mk7 GTI with a DSG and the twins AT blows it out of the water. Sure the VW DSG shifts slightly faster in manual mode but in the twins, shifting in manual mode is so much more viseral especially downshifts where the car rev matches.

The VW DSG also rev-matches on downshifts but you can hardly tell.

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by guybo

Some people complain about driving a MT in traffic and yes, it can suck. But not once have I seen a thread where someone said "I got the MT but I really wish I had gotten the AT". However, here on this forum you can search and find some threads where some people have commented "I should have gotten the manual".

Its because I think MT drivers are more likely to wreck their cars. Manual drivers who wreck their cars aren't going to go on a forum and say I should have gotten an automatic.... they have more important things to worry about like injuries, insurance, possible lawsuits, getting a car that works (if thats their only car).

With manual cars, there's more to keep track of (clutch engagement, being in the correct gear, etc), it diverts attention away from making up for the bad habits of other drivers .... like other drivers who slam on their brakes in stop and go traffic or change lanes without signaling.

I can see the appeal of manual cars but in an area with a lot of traffic and bad drivers, it can get nerve racking.

[kakacarrotcake]

Originally Posted by xuimod

Its because I think MT drivers are more likely to wreck their cars. Manual drivers who wreck their cars aren't going to go on a forum and say I should have gotten an automatic.... they have more important things to worry about like injuries, insurance, possible lawsuits, getting a car that works (if thats their only car).

With manual cars, there's more to keep track of (clutch engagement, being in the correct gear, etc), it diverts attention away from making up for the bad habits of other drivers .... like other drivers who slam on their brakes in stop and go traffic or change lanes without signaling.

I can see the appeal of manual cars but in an area with a lot of traffic and bad drivers, it can get nerve racking.

Depends on the person, if anything, driving a manual makes me more aware because it keeps my focus on driving and not on my phone or stereo etc. I can't say the same for anyone else, but driving an auto makes me complacent and distracted. Seems to me that someone in that situation would be more likely to be involved in an accident.

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by kakacarrotcake

Depends on the person, if anything, driving a manual makes me more aware because it keeps my focus on driving and not on my phone or stereo etc. I can't say the same for anyone else, but driving an auto makes me complacent and distracted. Seems to me that someone in that situation would be more likely to be involved in an accident.

Driving an AT Twin in manual mode is actually quite engaging. In stop and go traffic, manual mode in 1st and 2nd gear keeps it from getting too boring.

[guybo]

Originally Posted by xuimod

Its because I think MT drivers are more likely to wreck their cars. Manual drivers who wreck their cars aren't going to go on a forum and say I should have gotten an automatic.... they have more important things to worry about like injuries, insurance, possible lawsuits, getting a car that works (if thats their only car).

With manual cars, there's more to keep track of (clutch engagement, being in the correct gear, etc), it diverts attention away from making up for the bad habits of other drivers .... like other drivers who slam on their brakes in stop and go traffic or change lanes without signaling.

I can see the appeal of manual cars but in an area with a lot of traffic and bad drivers, it can get nerve racking.

Not even a little. It does not divert attention from the wheel or driving at all (unless you are just starting out driving and don't know how to drive stick). Where did you find a statistic saying MT is more dangerous than AT?