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Old 11-28-2015, 09:37 PM   #1
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Moto east and Map Performance turbo brz build

At the start of this thread i'd like to thank Mister Michael Mann @ Moto-East and Ian and Nate at Map performance

So lets kick this off. This car Started out in 2014 as a daily driver First thing i did to the car Was a set of
KW V3 coilovers then wheels and tires and at this point as most of you know, the need for more power comes into play.
I started off with a Sprintex 210 Blower I needed more power went to a 335 the car with the 335 Made around 276 Wheel
Horsepower on a mustang dyno. While driving along at above 120 MPH the car developed a tick.
Turns out that "tick" was actually piston slap. So off to moto east it went to begin forming a plan.
(pictured below are the pistons)








We went with the obvious idea of building the motor and pairing that with the best modification you can do to your
frs/brz Which is of course the Map Performance turbocharger kit with a garret Gtx3076R all this came ready to run out of
the box so the turbo components were set aside and the teardown began








Heres an Exert From Michael Mann about the state of the motor "So we tore down a motor today from a pretty nasty
engine failure. Amazingly it did not blow a hole in the block, but the carnage is quite impressive. What stands
out here is that there are 0 signs of knock, no pits in the piston tops or valves, no ring land damage at all
except where the piston gouged into the bore. What we're thinking is either a severe overheat due to sustained
high speed/high boost operation without an oil cooler on pump gas, or possibly too tight of ring gaps from the
factory leading to this failure when combined with the high temperature condition. ALL pistons showed scoring.
All rods are bent"

to remedy this the block was honed out .5 and the following parts were used in the motor
Cp pistons 11:1
carrillo rods
OEM bearings
oem valves
GSC springs
Oem rockers
all new oem seals





The car is currently making 527 due to running out of injector at the top. Stick around for an update on the 600 mark and where we take it from there!

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ux7a9F0EK4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ux7a9F0EK4[/ame]

***updating slowly, apologies for that***

Upate pictures as the car currently sits 12/6/15





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08/02/16





Mods list,

--Engine
Cp pistons
Carrillo Rods
GSC springs
Arp Studs
Cometic Gaskets
Supertech Valves
Map Performance turbo kit
Gtx3076x turbo
Tial Waste gate 38
Tial Bov
Shmuck Built catch can
Battery Relocate
Ecutek Tuning system
Accusump oiling system

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Exterior
Rocket Bunny v1
Ccw d240 18x12 Rear 18x10 front
Toyo R888 295 rear 265 front
Street faction Chassis mount
gtc500 Wing
Singular end-plates
velox rear diffuser
Velox version Race front splitter
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Suspension
Tarmac 2 coilovers
Swift springs 13k rear/ 11k front
Velox LCA
Velox Toe arm
Cusco trailing arms
Whiteline 18MM rear sway-bar
Whiteline 22mm front sway bar
Whiteline Endlinks
Arp wheel studs

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Interior
Custom 6 point cage
Sparco Ergo Seats
Sparco 6 point harness
Aem Wideband fail-safe
Aem Oil pressure gauge
Racecapture track datalogger

--
brakes
Velox brake cooling ducts
Stoptech 328mm st40 brakes front
stoptech pads and rotors in the rear.

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Um, Wow... Those rods just made to 1000% paranoid now.

276WHP Mustang is around 300WHP Dynojet. I wonder how many people her have bent rods that don't know it and their car is pushing 400+WHP? The factory rods really look like a ticking time bomb.

Time to stop driving the car until I save the rest of the cash for the build. Thank you Moto East for this write up. HUGE +1
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Um, Wow... Those rods just made to 1000% paranoid now.

276WHP Mustang is around 300WHP Dynojet. I wonder how many people her have bent rods that don't know it and their car is pushing 400+WHP? The factory rods really look like a ticking time bomb.

Time to stop driving the car until I save the rest of the cash for the build. Thank you Moto East for this write up. HUGE +1
Factory rods being a time bomb is not news
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What turbo you running??? How many PSI are you going to go
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They are running a GTX3076R.

Looks great so far Phil!

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Do you think the bent rods here are a result of so much low end torque from the 335 blower?

I know you only had 276whp up top, but my guess is you were pushing at least that much in torque fairly low in the rev range as well.

Additionally, would you venture to say that a centrifugal setup that makes that same hp up top would be safer for the engine, as lower RPM torque is less?
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Do you think the bent rods here are a result of so much low end torque from the 335 blower?

I know you only had 276whp up top, but my guess is you were pushing at least that much in torque fairly low in the rev range as well.

Additionally, would you venture to say that a centrifugal setup that makes that same hp up top would be safer for the engine, as lower RPM torque is less?
Generally with these things you can never be sure but we were thinking this had more to due with the extremely high intake temperatures that occurred at sustained load. I would say that keeping the power away from the bottom will help
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What size housing on the hotside of the turbo?
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Housing is an .63

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Generally with these things you can never be sure but we were thinking this had more to due with the extremely high intake temperatures that occurred at sustained load. I would say that keeping the power away from the bottom will help
Moto,

Why does low end torque promote the inevitable reaction of a bent rod?

Is this just a native problem Subaru/Boxster engines succumb to or is this a global/standard rule when going the FI route?

Being that the S/C is always applying load to the engine, is this problem more common in S/C kits rather then Turbo kits?

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Moto,

I'm unsure if you have any knowledge or experiences with the two but how do you think this Kit compares to the JDL and FBM kit?

Pro's/Con's so far about this kit? Did you have to modify the crash beam for this install?

Side note: I do like how the IC pipe is positioned over the cool side of the turbo..looks very nice.
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Moto,

I'm unsure if you have any knowledge or experiences with the two but how do you think this Kit compares to the JDL and FBM kit?

Pro's/Con's so far about this kit? Did you have to modify the crash beam for this install?

Side note: I do like how the IC pipe is positioned over the cool side of the turbo..looks very nice.
I'll Call on @moto-mike to answer your questions above but as for this kit really came as an actual complete kit. It actually comes with a pre modified crash beam ready to install. As far as the other kits though there's a reason we chose to do this kit, its routed nicely placed in a way that manages heat well and looks attractive not to mention the quality of material used was outstanding
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Yes, two small notches need to be cut out of the rear of the crash beam to clear the intercooler piping. We do have an optional tubular crash beam bar that is a direct bolt on if you wish not to cut into your factory one.



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I'm unsure if you have any knowledge or experiences with the two but how do you think this Kit compares to the JDL and FBM kit?

Pro's/Con's so far about this kit? Did you have to modify the crash beam for this install?

Side note: I do like how the IC pipe is positioned over the cool side of the turbo..looks very nice.
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