Clutch Pedal

[rick s]

Originally Posted by Apoc

If the clutch pedal stays on the floor it sounds like your throw out bearing has failed.

This is not what I want to hear!



Thanks for the input though!
Hopefully we don't need to go down that road!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Apoc

If the clutch pedal stays on the floor it sounds like your throw out bearing has failed.

LOL I actually wrote that in my first reply and then second guessed myself and deleted it.

That is a well know issue especially with the 13s.

[rick s]

Okay, if the throw out bearing is bad would there not be the tell tale signs of squealing or whining? It just seems odd that a bearing that was perfectly quiet yesterday would suddenly up and sh!t the bed this morning! Am I wrong in this assumption? Any other time I have dealt with throw out failure you knew something was up and about to go.

[rick s]

Update: checked the engine bay and found indication of some fluid leaking from the slave cylinder. I guess replacing this part is the logical place to start!


I found a slave cylinder for ~ $42 free shipping. Sound reasonable?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by rick s

Update: checked the engine bay and found indication of some fluid leaking from the slave cylinder. I guess replacing this part is the logical place to start!


I found a slave cylinder for ~ $42 free shipping. Sound reasonable?

Sorry for the delayed reply but if not too late this may be a good time to upgrade.
This has been very popular so far:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77390

[Ultramaroon]

Haha... DO IT!


Oh, and here's the sequence of events.

1. Slave cyl shits the bed.
2. ALL the fluid leaks out of the reservoir.
3. Only then does the air get in.

Said it somewhere else recently - Air does not magically appear in the system.


The pedal stays down because, without the return force from the hydraulics, the helper spring keeps it there.

[rick s]

Tcoat,

Funny you should mention that. I am typically an impatient kinda of guy and a couple of weeks ago I did the TRD springs and a set of Bilsteins and what should have been a one day adventure turned into a week due to having to get new sway bar end links. So needless to say I didn't want to wait another week for the slave cylinder. I was browsing the forum for info and did come across the DYI by Ultramaroon. A quick check and the local Autozone has the slave cylinder in stock so today I am off to pick it up. The only issue I have is the "crush" washer availability. I know the Napa store has some copper washers but size wise I'm not sure if they have them in stock. If I have to wait days to get some washers I'll be pretty bummed. There is nothing worse than this car just sitting in the driveway


Thanks for your helpful replies

[rick s]

Ultramaroon,


In progress, see post above!
Thanks for the DYI write up.
Like I said the only issue appears to be getting the right size crush washers fronm a local store without having to special order them.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by rick s

Ultramaroon,


In progress, see post above!
Thanks for the DYI write up.
Like I said the only issue appears to be getting the right size crush washers fronm a local store without having to special order them.

If you anneal the old crush washer they'll work like new again. Just hang them on a wire, a coat hanger works well, heat them to glowing red, and let them cool in the air. I've installed 3000 psi diesel injectors like this, never had a leak.

[Ultramaroon]

^^truth^^

...at least until they're paper thin. They're 10 mm - identical to the brake caliper gaskets.

[rick s]

After thinking about the whole deal I decided to just have the car towed to the dealer. The slave cylinder should not just go and want them to get to a root cause .


Well just got the call from the dealer and it appears the clutch fork is broken.

Like I said before no noises or other indications of impending failure. Once again the FRS disappoints! The highs of this car are getting overrun by the nagging concerns about quality. Fuel pump chirping, tail light condensation and now this. Not a great track record for a two year old car.


Now I have to have the Toyota rep look at the car and make a determination as to whether this will be covered under warranty or not


The never ending Scion saga

[churchx]

Imho you exagerated it a bit. My line of thinking is like:
1) it's very cheap and good enough car in it's class and due that sold in high numbers, because of that community behind it became rather big. Due nature of forums, negative experience/problems are way more often reported/posted, then problem-free usage, which subjectively is 'as expected'. No wonder that all together may make it look like way worse then it is in how often really there are problems/broken parts/replacement frequency. For later one needs to access to lot of statistical data from dealers/serviceshops/manufacturer, that probably no average joe customer will never get. I'd rather bet that this car is 'normal', breaks as often as average, has acceptable share and frequency of problems as average. At least didn't saw much very major and serious recalls, and few reported problems didn't overshadow generic positive rating in my eyes.
2) purpose of this car/class, just like most other performance/sports cars, assumes also much heavier abuse then some only daily driven family hauler. I see it as upping chances to break something at least by few times. I don't expect WRX/STI/Evo/Type-Rs/M bmw-s and so on to last very long either. Most probably forums for those are full of threads about their specific problems too.

[rick s]

Originally Posted by churchx

Imho you exagerated it a bit. My line of thinking is like:
1) it's very cheap and good enough car in it's class and due that sold in high numbers, because of that community behind it became rather big. Due nature of forums, negative experience/problems are way more often reported/posted, then problem-free usage, which subjectively is 'as expected'. No wonder that all together may make it look like way worse then it is in how often really there are problems/broken parts/replacement frequency. For later one needs to access to lot of statistical data from dealers/serviceshops/manufacturer, that probably no average joe customer will never get. I'd rather bet that this car is 'normal', breaks as often as average, has acceptable share and frequency of problems as average. At least didn't saw much very major and serious recalls, and few reported problems didn't overshadow generic positive rating in my eyes.
2) purpose of this car/class, just like most other performance/sports cars, assumes also much heavier abuse then some only daily driven family hauler. I see it as upping chances to break something at least by few times. I don't expect WRX/STI/Evo/Type-Rs/M bmw-s and so on to last very long either. Most probably forums for those are full of threads about their specific problems too.

Chirping fuel pump no exaggeration, replaced twice. Toyota gives up and says this is "normal". Wish the chirping was present when I first bought the car. It may have influenced my decision
Tail light condensation, poor design or seal materials. Again no exaggeration.
Overall in the scheme of things it is "cheap" but that doesn't excuse the design or material issues. A $13,000 car I expect to have issues, mid 20's not so much!
Just venting my frustration at this point!

[Ultramaroon]

Meh. Supercar owners consider their breakdown frequency a badge of honor. At least the Toyobaru isn't very expensive to repair.