ST or B14's?

[Firestorm_86]

I'm trying to decide between the ST by KW's or Bilstein B14's (or some combo spring+damper).

Budget is around $1000. I would like to lower very little (.5" - 1") if possible; I drive on some crap roads. My use will be daily driving (on crap roads), mountains during the weekends, and a track day or two during the year. Dampers are probably highest on the list since I feel like an improvement over stock can be had. And since all springs are stiffer than stock, I'm not too worried unless it's overly stiff.

Other suggestions/combinations are welcome, but you'll have to sell your case.

[cdrazic93]

*takes a deep breath*

Hey there fellow 86 owner!! Might I suggest a lovely combo of Bilstein dampers preferrably the B8's, paired with a nice firm touch of the top of the line RCE Tarmac springs!!

hows that for a 'sell your case'?

I few users have this combo, lowers right in the middle of your drop range, superb bilstein dampers and awesome springs. search for the combo if your interested.

Only problem is that this combo is out of your budget range, comes in at $1250.

[Firestorm_86]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

*takes a deep breath*

Hey there fellow 86 owner!! Might I suggest a lovely combo of Bilstein dampers preferrably the B8's, paired with a nice firm touch of the top of the line RCE Tarmac springs!!

hows that for a 'sell your case'?

I few users have this combo, lowers right in the middle of your drop range, superb bilstein dampers and awesome springs. search for the combo if your interested.

Only problem is that this combo is out of your budget range, comes in at $1250.

This was a consideration. Whats your case against the B14 springs/damper combo?

[Createddeleted]

Originally Posted by Firestorm_86

This was a consideration. Whats your case against the B14 springs/damper combo?

I would also like to hear why the b6/b8 and spring combo are held I higher regard than the b14's

[BrandonB]

Originally Posted by Createddeleted

I would also like to hear why the b6/b8 and spring combo are held I higher regard than the b14's

I think its because b14 uses progressive springs

[Createddeleted]

Originally Posted by BrandonB

I think its because b14 uses progressive springs

RCE yellows are progressive as well and they are not frowned upon.

[BrandonB]

Originally Posted by Createddeleted

RCE yellows are progressive as well and they are not frowned upon.

i dont believe rce yellows are progressive

[BrandonB]

You should get rce yellow with koni shocks because at the softest setting its actually smoother than stock

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by Firestorm_86

This was a consideration. Whats your case against the B14 springs/damper combo?

Progressive springs suck. Other than that they are top notch for the price. Corrosion resistant and lowering capabilities. The B8 damper from Bilstein is the B14 damper if im not mistaken.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by BrandonB

i dont believe rce yellows are progressive

Correct, they are not.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Progressive springs suck.

+1

[Createddeleted]

Originally Posted by BrandonB

i dont believe rce yellows are progressive

I did a bit more research. I was thrown off by the coil winding. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=12

[Createddeleted]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Progressive springs suck. Other than that they are top notch for the price. Corrosion resistant and lowering capabilities. The B8 damper from Bilstein is the B14 damper if im not mistaken.

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

+1

Just want to discuss why you guys believe progressive springs suck. Is it because linear springs are more predictable and easier to match to a dampener? For performance, I completely 100% agree that progressive springs should not be used.

But if we take the case of the street driven car that is lowered, do progressive springs still suck in this application? Where ride quality may be improved by progressive springs and still achieve a better driving experience by tightening up the ride, reducing the COG, and reducing a certain amount of body roll. In this application do progressive springs suck, and if so why?

[Firestorm_86]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

Progressive springs suck. Other than that they are top notch for the price. Corrosion resistant and lowering capabilities. The B8 damper from Bilstein is the B14 damper if im not mistaken.

As a DD, isn't progressive better, if not desirable? I won't be tracking it all that often, so the progressive handling change at limit shouldn't be too big to deal with. But that could be my limited understanding of how progressive vs static spring rates work.

EDIT: @Createddeleted asked exactly what I meant to ask...