Full Blown Turbo Kit Owners Topic

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

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[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Brody602

What's your opinion on the Wilwood kits?

Not to steal King Tut's thunder, but I guess I should chime in since people sound like experts in here. I can only give you my opinion and my experiences on what has and has not worked. Wilwoods work, but are they good? Unless you're getting them for free because that's all you can afford, then by all means, go for it. Otherwise, your stock system is actually really good. Buy pads and fluid and be done.

Originally Posted by Ironsquid

You drive a hard point.

But, my rebuttal is that Buddy Club probably wasn't around when those teams were looking for brake sponsors. Sponsorships are just as much political as they are performance related. Not really proving the case either way, just making a point.

Lastly, If nobody stepped outside the line, we'd all be lemmings, driving the same identical car, and the racing world would never evolve. Look at Megan Racing, they've come A LONG way.

Glass half full, unless otherwise noted.

Buy what makes you happy. I can only offer my experiences and opinions that may or may not affect your decision. I've driven too many different setups on the street and on the track. Honestly, I've decided to pull many cars back into the parking lot or paddock because I felt the modifications or lack of certain safety components were not well thought out. You can feel what works and doesn't work. The statement, "You get what you paid for," has a strong correlation with quality of components and R&D work, but it's not always the case.

I've also heard many racing teams are sponsored by certain brake pad companies, but they secretly swap out to their preferred pads and paint the backing plates to their brake sponsors trademark colors. Sometimes you have to understand what works and what doesn't before making claims that Alibaba stuff works like the real deal.

While people on here try to sell you on everything possible on the market, we consistently stick to our suggestions that are always tested and proven before we market them. How many others can look into your eyes and honestly say that?

[Ironsquid]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Otherwise, your stock system is actually really good. Buy pads and fluid and be done.

I can say this isn't the first time I've heard this.

My problem is that for me, my car should have a perfect balance of form and function. The stock system works well, but it leaves a lot to be desired on form, sitting behind my nice aftermarket wheels.

Some say I'm chasing a white rabbit trying to balance it, but the balance makes me happy.

Not sure if you've seen those triangles of wisdom, but it could relate to this [Form, Function, Price Point] Pick two. I'd pick form and function, money doesn't matter. It's just money right?

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Ironsquid

I can say this isn't the first time I've heard this.

My problem is that for me, my car should have a perfect balance of form and function. The stock system works well, but it leaves a lot to be desired on form, sitting behind my nice aftermarket wheels.

Some say I'm chasing a white rabbit trying to balance it, but the balance makes me happy.

Not sure if you've seen those triangles of wisdom, but it could relate to this [Form, Function, Price Point] Pick two. I'd pick form and function, money doesn't matter. It's just money right?

What is your goal? What do you want to achieve? Where do you want to go with this car? Every modification we do and suggestion we deliver is deliberate. There is detailed reasoning behind the things we do and don't do to our car's setup and our clients' cars.

[jamesm]

money is transient. if it were me i'd go with the ap sprint kit. seems to be the one we have the most data on, and those who have them tend to love them. another benefit is that you have a friend that owns the kit, so you can test ride first .

[Ironsquid]

Originally Posted by CSG David

What is your goal? What do you want to achieve? Where do you want to go with this car? Every modification we do and suggestion we deliver is deliberate. There is detailed reasoning behind the things we do and don't do to our car's setup and our clients' cars.

Well, the car is roughly 400hp, I basically want it to stop from 120-0 no fade consistently. Trying to stay out of the dirt/wall. I also want the calipers to look good.

I do car shows, events, autoX, drag and some track days. Full street weight.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Brody602

What's your opinion on the Wilwood kits?

I trust Wilwoods. I also agree with David's advice that the OEM setup will probably work just fine for him. He seems pretty set on getting Buddy Clubs to be different, so I say let him. What pad size do they use?

[Ironsquid]

Originally Posted by jamesm

money is transient. if it were me i'd go with the ap sprint kit. seems to be the one we have the most data on, and those who have them tend to love them. another benefit is that you have a friend that owns the kit, so you can test ride first .

This is why I don't like the AP racing kit, I don't think Tony likes his. They are cheap though.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by jamesm

money is transient. if it were me i'd go with the ap sprint kit. seems to be the one we have the most data on, and those who have them tend to love them. another benefit is that you have a friend that owns the kit, so you can test ride first .

He doesn't like AP bro. @Dave-ROR is somewhat close as well, and I think he still loves his AP kit. They aren't a show kit, they are a go/stop kit.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by King Tut

He doesn't like AP bro.

I would say something, but anything I say would just be toxic.

[Ironsquid]

Originally Posted by King Tut

I trust Wilwoods. I also agree with David's advice that the OEM setup will probably work just fine for him. He seems pretty set on getting Buddy Clubs to be different, so I say let him. What pad size do they use?

I don't think I said I was set on the Buddy Clubs, but thanks for speaking for me. I did say I was percolating on them. I also said stock probably wont cut the car show scene.

You trust big brand name brake companies, I get it. Do you just not like what you don't know? I don't know Italian cars, so all Fiats are crap? I mean thanks for the suggestion but was "Buddy Clubs are crappy because no race teams are using them" necessary?

It almost seems like you think I'm an amateur first time driver that never does any research. Just because I don't want to go with big brand names that while are proven, are also complacent, marked up and overdone, doesn't mean I'm a simpleton or ONLY doing it just in the sake of being different.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Ironsquid

It almost seems like you think I'm an amateur first time driver that never does any research. Just because I don't want to go with big brand names that while are proven, are also complacent, marked up and overdone, doesn't mean I'm a simpleton or ONLY doing it just in the sake of being different.

I didn't say you are an amateur. Your only reason thus far is stating that they look beefy. I told you why they look beefy and it was because they had to add more material to maintain the same or probably less stiffness than the better calipers designs from Stoptech and Brembo. You said you want data. I am telling you that data doesn't exist, so in my mind I would not consider them. So what pad size do those front and rear Buddy Club calipers utilize?

[jamesm]

@Ironsquid is no amateur, fwiw. When I have hard parts questions, he's the number I dial first if that means anything. I've been in this game a long time, and think I know enough to get by, but he knows a lot more than I do and I'm not afraid to admit it lol.

He's got most of us beat on the 'real world experience' front.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by jamesm

@Ironsquid is no amateur, fwiw. When I have hard parts questions, he's the number I dial first if that means anything. I've been in this game a long time, and think I know enough to get by, but he knows a lot more than I do and I'm not afraid to admit it lol.

He's got most of us beat on the 'real world experience' front.

I don't know how this turned into me questioning his knowledge or experience. No need to get into a pissing contest on experience. I expressed my concern with going with a relative newcomer and unknown quality braking company when there are great known options out there.