Toyota FR-86 vs. Subaru BRZ - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Levi · 08-30-2011, 04:28 PM

Please no flames!

I did not make to thread to find ot which car is better, but rather what are the differences and what purpouse.

At the beginning of the TOYOBARU porject everything was clear: it was to build a LIGHTWEIGHT AFFORDABLE SPORTSCAR. Many possbilities being possible, the TOYOTA was to be NA and RWD, and the SUBARU FI and AWD. Later along the road, it was said both would be both NA and RWD, as it would defete the purpose of the car. The question then is why have the same car with two different badges ? Because both were involved in the project ? They could then just creat a new brand for this model, let us say "86", and then in the future develope this brand, and make more version, for example a coupé, a hatch, eventually a sedan.

Now there is again a rumor of a turbocharged engine. But the real question is, what are the differences between the two ?

Are they really the same cars only with different badges? The chassis would then be the same, so the doors, the windows all around. What about suspension? And the interior, will it be the same? Will most of the parts, other than engine that is clearly from Subaru, be Toyota or Subaru parts?

Could one of them be more luxury and the other more sporty? But they both seem to have 200 PS.
My thought would be the intial BRZ (FI and AWD) could end up being the WRX, which this time will not be based on the Impreza, and in order the let this car grow in the market, for now only the NA RWD model will be sold in both brands.

I really hope everything will clear up soon.

Any thoughts?

I mean, if both are exactly the same, other than by price and look and personal attachment to one of the brands, by what critereas could one chose between them?

zigzagz94 · 08-30-2011, 04:33 PM

For the love of god people why can't you accept that it's the same freaking car with slight styling differences on the front and rear ends (and maybe different interiors).

That's it, no FI, no AWD, no diferrent engine options, nothing.

FR-S and BRZ are the same car with different badges get over it.

70NYD · 08-30-2011, 04:48 PM

Gto

Monaro

xD

Rukus

There are many more examples I just CBF

BADGE ENGINEERING

Badge engineering has been around for a very long time. If you haven't heard of it before, or you refused to believe it will be the case here, too fucking bad

Get over it

RRnold · 08-30-2011, 04:51 PM

FR-S=BR-Z!

Mr86 · 08-30-2011, 04:58 PM

LOL! they are the same ! if you don't like Scion as a brand in general, then you get the Subaru IF you don't like subaru brand, then u get Scion. That's how i see it ... well only in America

xravexboix · 08-30-2011, 05:06 PM

xD = Toyota IST
xB = Corolla Rumion

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Gto

Monaro

xD

Rukus

There are many more examples I just CBF

BADGE ENGINEERING

Badge engineering has been around for a very long time. If you haven't heard of it before, or you refused to believe it will be the case here, too fucking bad

Get over it

OldSkoolToys · 08-30-2011, 05:12 PM

Vibe = Matrix
Prism = Corolla
3000GT = Stealth
Talon = Eclipse

The list could go on for a very long time, just can't remember every name of every car.

However, can anyone think of two Japanese car companies badge engineering and selling in the U.S. market before this? Drawing a blank. There are dozens of Japanese = American examples, but I can't think of any Japanese = Japanese

Levi · 08-30-2011, 05:27 PM

Very well. I am very stupid and have no personal taste and opinion. I always need advices. So what should I buy? The Subaru or the Toyota?

Type[R]+ · 08-30-2011, 05:33 PM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...eered_vehicles

Interesting list....

Type[R]+ · 08-30-2011, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi

Very well. I am very stupid and have no personal taste and opinion. I always need advices. So what should I buy? The Subaru or the Toyota?

at the end of the day, you just have to wait and see what they dish out, and if you actually get both cars.

Levi · 08-30-2011, 05:43 PM

To go even futher, than Subaru, Toyota and Scion, mine will be badged Lexus.

MiguelAE86 · 08-30-2011, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi

To go even futher, than Subaru, Toyota and Scion, mine will be badged Lexus.

I'm sorry, but, WHAT?

Giccin · 08-30-2011, 06:04 PM

Did I just get trolled? lol

Last I remembered... this was the FRS/BRZ forum. Lol

08-30-2011, 04:28 PM	#1
Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Toyota FR-86 vs. Subaru BRZ Please no flames! I did not make to thread to find ot which car is better, but rather what are the differences and what purpouse. At the beginning of the TOYOBARU porject everything was clear: it was to build a LIGHTWEIGHT AFFORDABLE SPORTSCAR. Many possbilities being possible, the TOYOTA was to be NA and RWD, and the SUBARU FI and AWD. Later along the road, it was said both would be both NA and RWD, as it would defete the purpose of the car. The question then is why have the same car with two different badges ? Because both were involved in the project ? They could then just creat a new brand for this model, let us say "86", and then in the future develope this brand, and make more version, for example a coupé, a hatch, eventually a sedan. Now there is again a rumor of a turbocharged engine. But the real question is, what are the differences between the two ? Are they really the same cars only with different badges? The chassis would then be the same, so the doors, the windows all around. What about suspension? And the interior, will it be the same? Will most of the parts, other than engine that is clearly from Subaru, be Toyota or Subaru parts? Could one of them be more luxury and the other more sporty? But they both seem to have 200 PS. My thought would be the intial BRZ (FI and AWD) could end up being the WRX, which this time will not be based on the Impreza, and in order the let this car grow in the market, for now only the NA RWD model will be sold in both brands. I really hope everything will clear up soon. Any thoughts? I mean, if both are exactly the same, other than by price and look and personal attachment to one of the brands, by what critereas could one chose between them?

08-30-2011, 04:48 PM	#3
70NYD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Drives: RX8 S1 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 49 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Gto Monaro xD Rukus There are many more examples I just CBF BADGE ENGINEERING Badge engineering has been around for a very long time. If you haven't heard of it before, or you refused to believe it will be the case here, too fucking bad Get over it __________________

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RRnold 2 wheel member Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: JZA80, 997.1, Taco Location: SoCal->NorCal Posts: 4,330 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 938 Times in 480 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	FR-S=BR-Z! __________________

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08-30-2011, 04:33 PM	#2
zigzagz94 BRZerhood Lurker #13 Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 15 DGM BRZ Premium Location: charon's ferry Posts: 892 Thanks: 377 Thanked 225 Times in 128 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	For the love of god people why can't you accept that it's the same freaking car with slight styling differences on the front and rear ends (and maybe different interiors). That's it, no FI, no AWD, no diferrent engine options, nothing. FR-S and BRZ are the same car with different badges get over it.

08-30-2011, 04:58 PM	#5
Mr86 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Drives: WRB BRZ Location: Socal/NorthCal Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	LOL! they are the same ! if you don't like Scion as a brand in general, then you get the Subaru IF you don't like subaru brand, then u get Scion. That's how i see it ... well only in America

08-30-2011, 05:27 PM	#8
Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Very well. I am very stupid and have no personal taste and opinion. I always need advices. So what should I buy? The Subaru or the Toyota?

08-30-2011, 05:33 PM	#9
Type[R]+ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Drives: Lexus IS-F Location: Australia Posts: 529 Thanks: 26 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...eered_vehicles Interesting list....

08-30-2011, 05:43 PM	#11
Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	To go even futher, than Subaru, Toyota and Scion, mine will be badged Lexus.

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