Yup. Getting the car min/maxxed just costs a boatload.

Especially once you factor in alimony...

It would seem from that comparison drive linked above, the PP makes next to no difference to the driving experience. Makes you wonder why Toyota even bothered…. Oh, yeah - to squeeze every drop of profit they can out of their customers.

how wicked of them! and to think i used to consider them a friend!

it's like they're a for-profit company or something!

Friend...lol. I'm not begrudging profiting per se when you get something in return, but this seems to be a case of them getting more of your money for no added value. Caveat emptor.

Too bad they didn't offer a Reliability Package instead: No RTV crap, a proper oiling system with no pressure/starvation issues. I'd willingly pay more for that, as would many others.

There are plenty of threads discussing the difference between the stock suspension and Sachs dampers. Whether you find value in it doesn't mean there isn't a difference or an expense to Toyota over stock dampers.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139971

The previous value of the performance package was for anyone looking to take a near stock car to the track. They had the ability to run wider tires, better thermal capacity of the brakes and superior suspension for something that was reasonably priced. Some people just bought the package for improved looks of having bigger brakes and that it is. Compared to a Willwood kit, entry Brembo kit, Essex or Stoptech kit, WRX retrofit, this was simple, cheaper and provided enough of a bump in performance and/or looks that it made sense. Again, not for everyone, but it is nice that they offered the option.

subaru has been doing RTV in their engines for at least a decade at this point.

the pressure/starvation issues really do seem to be a few very specific instances and a flash mob calling for Kōji Satō's head on a platter.

give it time, there will be a solution later.

....which makes it all the more egregious that in 2023 they still haven't addressed their problematic RTV application processes.

On the oil issues, unfortunately we have no clear idea of their prevalence but IMO there is certainly enough evidence for serious concern if you're tracking and maybe even if you are just cornering very hard on the street.

Interesting, thanks, clearly mixed views on the previous Sachs for street use. Of course at this point we don't know if the ones in the new PP are the same model, and even if they are they may work a bit differently with the new suspension setup.

I remember test driving a facelift 1st Gen with PP, trying to figure out if it was worth waiting for the 2022. By the gods the PP dampers were bouncy on the highway. Really annoying compared to the base 2017 suspension I had installed on my 2013.

Your poor decisions don't factor into costs for the rest of us. :popcorn:

I'm not gonna min-max that decision, either. I got damn lucky and found a woman with only three flaws.

1. She doesn't realize how perfect she is (calls into question how perceptive she is, but I figure that's an upside because she picked me, so the flaw works in my favor.)
2. Doesn't like Star Wars. (still working on that, very limited success)
3. Not into cars. (also still working on that, not holding my breath)

So viewed through a single event it may look like a sub-optimal decision, but it's fairly insignificant in the grand scheme.

Plus, in a few more years the additional money spent to get more "car" in the garage won't seem as big a jump (whether that's FI or a different car is TBD).

Sounds like you found a good one! My better half isn't really a car person, but I'm showing her the way.

She really misses the 135i I had, and loves the new BRZ, she just can't drive a manual.

Mine can drive stick, she just doesn't like it and so she says she can't. She learned how (I taught her) and quit as soon as she started to get the hang of it. There's an old knee injury involved, so I don't really blame her - it's hard to enjoy doing something that starts hurting after a while.

It seems like half of the brake haters in this thread don't under the concept of heat sinks.