Resale: weld in roll bar

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by IPGJames

This is not true at all...I have built and bought many track / race cars...i will never build a car from scratch again...you want to talk about an epic waste of money and time...don't get me started, lol

buying a well built race / track car will get you out on the race track for pennies on the dollar versus doing it yourself and i beg anyone that wants to go racing to always buy someone elses race car ...there is no shortage of well sorted, ready to use race cars on the market and it is always a buyers market... just be patient and know what you are looking for and your car will become available for 50% or more less than the cost of building from scratch.

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If you buy it for 50% or less then that means somebody took a shitkicking on it which leads directly back to the original question of what happens to the value.
Somebody has to keep building from scratch or there will be none to buy already built now will there? The guys that build from scratch are going to lose money. This is proven time and time again. Just watch what happens when somebody posts a $50K build for $50K. It is hilarious.
Even with that said many (most?) on here have built their car from scratch and would not want anything to do with somebody else's build no matter how good it was. There are of course exceptions.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Uplink

From that aspect, you're probably not going to see a financial loss in vehicle value per se. The most likely scenario is this: You won't recoup the money invested in the bar and you will limit your market demographic to people who want or are willing to live with the permanent modification.

Which can lower the value significantly if you can not find that one special guy.


As many have already said it is not the bar itself that could be the issue it is the question how the car was used that it creates that does.


Can't recall ever reading anybody say "I have been trying to find a nice XXX but just can't seem to find a top dollar one that has been tracked and possibly beat on enough for me".

[Uplink]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Taking it out would be a pain, but you'd only be taking it out if it was worth it, in which case, it would be worth it because it would be worth it.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiCTYV-DP9w"]Well spoken, well said.[/ame]



@Anthony

[acetothermus]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Tell me again how buying my car already modded and saving over 20k just in parts makes me a dude-bro that doesn't know what he is doing? I'd like to know your train of thought that makes you assume so much about people.
I bought mine already modded(it's a street/DD car but add roll bar and harness and it would pretty much be a track only car) not because I couldn't have modded it myself but because I had a limited budget and paying my house is a priority vs the car. Had to make a choice and I made the most logical one I could with my resources. Tell me again how that makes me not know what I'm doing or just wanting street cred.


That being said, yes most people like to build their own from salvage if they are going all out track car

Obviously the dude-bro comment wasn't aimed at you since you are modding your car for actual track use. IF you re-read what I said...I was talking about people buying a car that has been modified for track use to get STREET CRED. Clearly you are doing what you can to support yourself and your family while still enjoying your car. Reading for comprehension my friend...

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by acetothermus

Obviously the dude-bro comment wasn't aimed at you since you are modding your car for actual track use. IF you re-read what I said...I was talking about people buying a car that has been modified for track use to get STREET CRED. Clearly you are doing what you can to support yourself and your family while still enjoying your car. Reading for comprehension my friend...

Meh just felt like being confrontational and passive bragging

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[acetothermus]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

Meh just felt like being confrontational and passive bragging

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loo....no worries man. It's way to hard to tell what someone really means by reading words. I've been saying for years that we need different fonts for different moods/motivations. Like a sarcasm font and the like.


Anyway...we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread already in progress.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by acetothermus

loo....no worries man. It's way to hard to tell what someone really means by reading words. I've been saying for years that we need different fonts for different moods/motivations. Like a sarcasm font and the like.


Anyway...we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread already in progress.

What if everyone just starts using italics for sarcasm? If we all start now, between face book and reddit, in 2 years the whole world will be doing it, then we won't have to worry any more

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by ka-t_240

So, what do you guys think a 4 point welded in roll bar would do to resale value on these cars if the full interior was still in the car.


**No need to comment, post, preach about roll bar/seat/harness combos etc. Lets keep discuss related to the short and long term financial parts of this part/install.

It's gonna kill it. Well maybe not but it will severely limit your customer base, not necessarily the sale price. Most people don't want a cage. And if you have a cage they can guess how much you've abused the car

[ka-t_240]

Originally Posted by IPGJames

This is not true at all...I have built and bought many track / race cars...i will never build a car from scratch again...you want to talk about an epic waste of money and time...don't get me started, lol

buying a well built race / track car will get you out on the race track for pennies on the dollar versus doing it yourself and i beg anyone that wants to go racing to always buy someone elses race car ...there is no shortage of well sorted, ready to use race cars on the market and it is always a buyers market... just be patient and know what you are looking for and your car will become available for 50% or more less than the cost of building from scratch.

ps.... I have a weld in 4 point weld-in roll bar in my street/track BRZ..i don't care what it does to resell...i did it because i want to be safe on track and that trumps any money i may lose down the road if i ever decided to sell. my stock seat works just fine with the stock seat belt still when installed..my head and body are no where near it when the car is setup for street use and i can bolt in my fixed back seat, 6 point harness and use my hans when at the track.

This guy gets it!


My point with this, is if it has dramatic loss in value, i have a couple months to research and decide what I want to do. Do I put it in, do I not. Do a build a full track car Honda/240?

[ka-t_240]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

It's gonna kill it. Well maybe not but it will severely limit your customer base, not necessarily the sale price. Most people don't want a cage. And if you have a cage they can guess how much you've abused the car

Abuse and maintence goes hand in hand. Luckily, I am one who does this. Many don't. I have bought a number of modded cars in terrible condition, spent hours fixing/dealing with issues. That doesn't bother me tho, good garage time which issually puts cash in my pocket

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by ka-t_240

Abuse and maintence goes hand in hand. Luckily, I am one who does this. Many don't. I have bought a number of modded cars in terrible condition, spent hours fixing/dealing with issues. That doesn't bother me tho, good garage time which issually puts cash in my pocket

But unless you can somehow price the maintenance was done(and you cant quantify suspension wear and such that just happens) most(not all) people will not be interested

[extrashaky]

Let me see if I understand the consensus of this thread:

Without a roll bar = more attractive to hundreds, maybe thousands of mainstream buyers who don't track their cars and are often willing to pay retail.

With a roll bar = more attractive to up to a dozen buyers in the market for a dedicated track car who are frugal by nature.

OP is going to do it anyway. I don't understand why he bothered asking the question. Were we supposed to congratulate him on his choice?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Let me see if I understand the consensus of this thread:

Without a roll bar = more attractive to hundreds, maybe thousands of mainstream buyers who don't track their cars and are often willing to pay retail.

With a roll bar = more attractive to up to a dozen buyers in the market for a dedicated track car who are frugal by nature.

OP is going to do it anyway. I don't understand why he bothered asking the question. Were we supposed to congratulate him on his choice?

Easy killer. Your assessment seems accurate but sometimes you just need a second(or 10th) opinion.

[ka-t_240]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Let me see if I understand the consensus of this thread:

Without a roll bar = more attractive to hundreds, maybe thousands of mainstream buyers who don't track their cars and are often willing to pay retail.

With a roll bar = more attractive to up to a dozen buyers in the market for a dedicated track car who are frugal by nature.

OP is going to do it anyway. I don't understand why he bothered asking the question. Were we supposed to congratulate him on his choice?

No, no congratulations needed. If I wanted those I wouldn't be asking for them here. Nothing about this thread is anything but serious. Nothing wrong with looking for outside opinions. I have been serious looking at going back to another platform for my uses, so figured its best to investigate the impacts on this one prior to selling a car I truly love.