FRS for "non-car guy"

[Lynxis]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There are cars which the AT does make a huge difference in performance. The Twins are not one of them. If anybody is street driving at the level where the difference between the two makes the MTs performance that much better then we will watch the news for their arrest or fatal crash.

Please note that I'm not out to take anything away from the 6MTs performance. She has 2 seasons worth of experience on me and drives on RS3s and TRD springs and a handful of other CS legal mods and I'm still bone stock including the Primacy's. I'm just making excuses for my poor performance because my friend (CS leader) drove my car on a fun run and he beat her time on his first try.

The performance is there, it's just up to the driver to unlock it.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Lynxis

The performance is there, it's just up to the driver to unlock it.

I've put two 'aces' in my car at an autocross, both bested my time by over a second the first time they sat in the car (I scrabbled back most of it on the first guy with enough runs). I have video of one stalling it as he brought it up to the line and the other you can hear him ask me how to launch it about 3 seconds before he nails a beautiful start.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Jviveros2

Just joined the club few days ago and here's my first post:


I'll get right to it. I am by no means a 'car guy' when it comes to the knowledge of what makes cars tick. For the past year though, I've considered getting an FRS. The hype is so great that I couldn't help but be lured into it.
1. I don't know how to drive stick
2. This would be my only DD
3. My current and only car I've had is an automatic 07 chevy cobalt
4. My driving would be mainly highway (Phoenix, AZ)
5. Married but not planning on a family soon


Also, I am very very much interested in LEARNING and I believe having a new, nice car like this will help my motivation to do so.

Question is, should I go for the AT FRS or am I better off looking for 'just another sedan'?

First off, @Jviveros2, welcome to ....... The Forum ..........

There is lots of good advice and information in this place.

I think the FR-S/BRZ is a good car for a young married couple.

You don't have to be a "car guy" to own a FR-S. Just read the manual, put high-test gas in it and take it in to be serviced when the manual calls for it.

If your wife can't drive a car with a MT, and you want to share the car, I would recommend an AT.

Some say that an FR-S with an AT is a better "cruiser" (quieter, better gas mileage); the FR-S with a MT is more "engaging" (takes more movements to make it go)........so, it's your call......

The main thing is ..... to pick a pretty color ......

(when in doubt about color - ask your wife)



humfrz

[why?]

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve

Put it much more tame than I would've.
Still groggy from waking up, glad I read threads thoroughly before commenting. If I replied to that post, I would have been banned for sure. lol

Anyhoo, I came from a non-car background. Every time I log in, I learn something new just by reading around. If you feel comfortable in learning MT with your daily, then get the MT. If you want the AT, then buy that.

You cannot go wrong either way. I'd venture to say you aren't the type to do red light races thus the "1 second slower broooooooo, buy MT hurrr durr" doesn't apply here.

Welcome to the forums, enjoy your stay!

you don't have to worry about being banned here, they haven't banned me yet. I've managed to be ip banned after one post on a forum where I was asking an honest question and after three posts on a forum where I complimented someone's car and asked an honest question. Seriously it is like people have never met massholes before. I'm blunt and I'm not going to coddle people with my opinions. I am pretty sure there are already a couple people here who hate me because of it. I've been called a troll during an entertaining discussion because someone didn't like what I was saying. The truth hurts sometimes. lol. Oh, and I have a habit of derailing threads saying stuff like this.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by why?

I'm blunt and I'm not going to coddle people with my opinions.

The truth hurts sometimes.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by why?

you don't have to worry about being banned here, they haven't banned me yet. I've managed to be ip banned after one post on a forum where I was asking an honest question and after three posts on a forum where I complimented someone's car and asked an honest question. Seriously it is like people have never met massholes before. I'm blunt and I'm not going to coddle people with my opinions. I am pretty sure there are already a couple people here who hate me because of it. I've been called a troll during an entertaining discussion because someone didn't like what I was saying. The truth hurts sometimes. lol. Oh, and I have a habit of derailing threads saying stuff like this.

You have been called a troll once?
How cute!
I may hold the forum record. Mostly because people only read parts of what is said and make presumptions.


There is nothing wrong with debate and it is the internet so opinions differ but some things are just so common and predictable they piss me off sometimes.


The "truth hurts" works both ways. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. It is how people deal with things that can change a debate to a shit throwing match. I usually try to walk away after I fling my first pile but sometimes the temptation is just too much. I am sure there are a few that think they "won" a debate simply because I realized I was wasting my time and walked away. The best guys here are the ones that can have a heated debate in one thread and carry on normal with the same people in another. Bygones need to exist.


No thread of value can ever truly be derailed. If it is strong enough it will come back on track. If it is too weak to come back it was done anyway.

[clbembry]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I guess the minute somebody says AT the debate has to be started by somebody.
If you think that owning a MT is a requirement of being a "car guy" then you have a lot to learn about the car scene.
There are AT owners out there that can probably drive circles around you and have you bawling like a little child in seconds.
I bet you also believe that RWD is some special thing that requires advanced skill levels to handle.

I'm not saying you have to drive manual to be a car guy. You don't even have to know how to be a car guy. What I really meant was it will be easier to become that car guy if you drive a manual. Sorry if I made it seem like you have to drive manual in order to know a lot about cars.

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[STZ]

What kind of hype are you being lured in by? It seems kind of strange that if you have non 'car-guy' you would still be lured in by the hype if you know what none of the things mean. If you've never appreciated driving for anything more than a means to get to a location, I would not buy a sports car. However, if you appreciate and have fun driving, but have never put in the effort to get into cars, you can watch some videos, read reviews, and best of all, go for a test drive yourself to see what it's all about after figuring out what the reviews mean.

Sports cars are not meant for automatic transmission. High end sports cars are automatic, but have DCT transmissions and cheaper ones focused on the driving experience like the FR-S should be bought in manual. Manual is easier than you think, and it's a good skill to have regardless.

If you have an automatic, don't be offended because that's not my intention. If you use the car as a DD and constantly have to deal with rush hour traffic jams or close city intersections on steep hills but still want a part of the driving experience then more power to you. However, if you buy the car as an automatic when you live in a situation where driving a manual is perfectly fine, you're kind of defeating the purpose of the car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by clbembry

I'm not saying you have to drive manual to be a car guy. You don't even have to know how to be a car guy. What I really meant was it will be easier to become that car guy if you drive a manual. Sorry if I made it seem like you have to drive manual in order to know a lot about cars.

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Still implies that the MT makes a car guy even if "easier". The Prius driver trying to squeeze every MPG out of his car is a car guy. The minivan driver that has added every possible luxury item they can is a car guy. The 14 year old that has never been behind the wheel but has posters on the wall (do they still do that?) and can reel off every spec in the book is a car guy. What tranny you drive, what wheels propel the car, how fast you make it can go, etc does not make you a car guy unto it's self. I know it is all semantics but the whole "you don't drive MT", "if you don't track you don't drive", "you ruined the car by slamming it", "my opinion is truth" stuff bugs me sometimes (and I am as guilty as anybody of some of those on occasion)


Sorry, wasn't going off on you so much as the comment. I was waiting for it to pop up and you were just the lucky first entry. I will shut up now.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by STZ

What kind of hype are you being lured in by? It seems kind of strange that if you have non 'car-guy' you would still be lured in by the hype if you know what none of the things mean. If you've never appreciated driving for anything more than a means to get to a location, I would not buy a sports car. However, if you appreciate and have fun driving, but have never put in the effort to get into cars, you can watch some videos, read reviews, and best of all, go for a test drive yourself to see what it's all about after figuring out what the reviews mean.

Sports cars are not meant for automatic transmission. High end sports cars are automatic, but have DCT transmissions and cheaper ones focused on the driving experience like the FR-S should be bought in manual. Manual is easier than you think, and it's a good skill to have regardless.

If you have an automatic, don't be offended because that's not my intention. If you use the car as a DD and constantly have to deal with rush hour traffic jams or close city intersections on steep hills but still want a part of the driving experience then more power to you. However, if you buy the car as an automatic when you live in a situation where driving a manual is perfectly fine, you're kind of defeating the purpose of the car.

Ahhhh damn it! I should have saved my rant for this one!


Most of these cars are bought by the non car guy type. If you need to manually shift gears to get the "driving experience" then you are still missing the point.


I will shut up again.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ahhhh damn it! I should have saved my rant for this one!


Most of these cars are bought by the non car guy type. If you need to manually shift gears to get the "driving experience" then you are still missing the point.


I will shut up again.

I am a certified rush hour traffic heel toe hero, bow before me and my mastery of SF hills and traffic. I would kill myself before buying an autotragic.

[Ocala FR-S]

Originally Posted by why?

Either way, buy an 86. This auto is different, and there is a thread out there on here talking about how you can actually go into a manual mode that is really manual and the auto will refuse to shift for you no matter what, with the one small exception of it will not down shift and blow the engine up.

....and a second small exception that it won't upshift unless a minimum speed is reached for the next gear so you don't lug the engine.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I am a certified rush hour traffic heel toe hero, bow before me and my mastery of SF hills and traffic. I would kill myself before buying an autotragic.

Strangely enough of the 22 cars I have owned 2 were autos. One was my 64 Econoline van with a completely built 351 crammed into it (no small feat if you know where the engine is in a 64 Econoline) with a 3 speed FMX tranny that could lift the front wheels for 50 feet. The other was my 70 Coronet R/T that pulled high 12s on the strip on a regular basis (that was more impressive in the 70s than it sounds now). I am a big fan of MTs but this whole AT sucks thing for the Twins just doesn't make sense. These are not your daddy's Buick ATs.

[lonborghini]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

I drive an auto and freaking love it! It is not a highway car though so there might be a better car for passing on the highway and a little quiter if that matters. If I was you, I would go buy a FRS/BRZ

It's not a highway car but i drove mine across the country from Pennsylvania to California, Interstate 80 all the way. I loved ever minute and mile of it and look forward to driving my FR-S back East some day soon. So, if you ask me,
it is a fine highway car.