Would you prefer that the FRS had a "real" engine?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

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Yeah, totally understand. Take it as a grain of salt. Prob that's a best way to keep your sanity in this forum. Even before this car came out, so much rumor! I don't even know any other car that had this much rumors! lol

I hope it was a sexy Engrish voice lol

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by stugray

Yeah and Boxer engines suck. Those Testarossa engineers were clueless.

HOLY SHIT!!! I didn't know the Testarossa had a subaru FA20 in it!

That's incredible!

[rice_classic]

This thread delivers!

Rarely have I seen so many false comparisons, such dramatic hyperbole, creative strawmans, ad hominems and biased narratives to counter was is perfectly legitimate opinion.

Dude1: "I don't really like this engine"
Dude2: "But boxer engines in Porsche and Ferrari!"

Dude1: "I bought this car despite it's engine"
Dude2: "Every boxer engine has a tq dip, and therefore they're all awesome!"
Dude3: "...And you're a retard."
Dude4: "But Tada, the Pope of engineers, got his inspiration for this car directly from God and his brilliance should never be questioned!"
Dude 5: "Yeah, shame! Shame on the heretic! How dare you stray from the gospel of Tada-san!"


Seriously.. WTF is going on here? It's a $25k Scion, not everything is brilliant, not every thing deserves praise. Some folks don't understand compartmentalization... You can have a car that you totally love while also accepting that there's things about it you don't like or wish were better, but you love it anyway. This uninspiring engine is part of the character, same with the hideous center console.. but I can love it anyway. NOHOME, myself and others still own the car right?! Exactly.

If you think this engine is the bees-knees then fine but many here have driven truly inspiring engines (some of them might actually be horizontally opposed too!) but the personal attacks, the false comparatives and deification of Tada-san is overwhelming..

Goddamn. Just goddamn.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Points to @rice_classic for pointing out that the macpherson struts could have been ditched with an inline layout, but then again how many Toyota sports cars don't have Macphersons? Certainly Subaru has been relying on them for decades so that would be a non-Subaru component of the design? IMO drivers have been working around subpar suspensions for decades (cough mustang cough), I'll take the lower c.g.

It's a toss up for me.. The CoG difference between the current car and say the same car but with slanted inline 4 would be very small, but I think the performance gain with double arm suspension that could better maximize the tire's contact patch at all aspects of the track would be greater. Of course, we can both be right!

How? Rules.. If you running huge cantilevered slicks that need very little camber changes car dynamics and roll center needs vs a DOT radial that may want 5* of camber in roll.

Perhaps it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. For a DD that I will never modify.. I think I like CoG. When it comes to building a new race car, I'm not sure this will be my platform of choice.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

HOLY SHIT!!! I didn't know the Testarossa had a subaru FA20 in it!

That's incredible!

How in the hell did you get boxer engine = FA20?

oh wait, it's sarcasm... got it! ha... ha... ha...

[Vroomin86]

I just hate the tranny :P

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

This thread delivers!

Rarely have I seen so many false comparisons, such dramatic hyperbole, creative strawmans, ad hominems and biased narratives to counter was is perfectly legitimate opinion.

Dude1: "I don't really like this engine"
Dude2: "But boxer engines in Porsche and Ferrari!"

Dude1: "I bought this car despite it's engine"
Dude2: "Every boxer engine has a tq dip, and therefore they're all awesome!"
Dude3: "...And you're a retard."
Dude4: "But Tada, the Pope of engineers, got his inspiration for this car directly from God and his brilliance should never be questioned!"
Dude 5: "Yeah, shame! Shame on the heretic! How dare you stray from the gospel of Tada-san!"


Seriously.. WTF is going on here? It's a $25k Scion, not every this brilliant, not every thing deserves praise. Some folks don't understand compartmentalization... You can have a car that you totally love while also accepting that there's things about it you don't like or wish were better, but you love it anyway. This uninspiring engine is part of the character, same with the hideous center console.. but I can love it anyway. NOHOME, myself and others still own the car right?! Exactly.

If you think this engine is the bees-knees then fine but many here have driven truly inspiring engines (some of them might actually be horizontally opposed too!) but the personal attacks, the false comparatives and deification of Tada-san is overwhelming..

Goddamn. Just goddamn.

So if we like the engine we are just wrong and it is hyperbole?
You say everybody doesn't respect opinions and then proceed to run down those with differing opinions?
Nobody here can be inspired by this engin because you are not?
Pointing out that a particular lead engineer (it was made by two full teams not one dude) planned the car the way it is becomes deification?
Come on Rice throughout yor post you managed to hit almost every high point that you were calling others out for.
I felt the car sits way to high stock and the standard exhaust is feeble at best so I changed them. End of story and I don't feel the need to tell everybody here that they are fools for leaving it or not changing to exactly what I think they should have. People are perfectly satisfied with this engine but if you are not inspired then change it don't tell us we can't be inspired by it.

[ntron1]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Ahhh Ferrari 308 my #1 bucket list item

because vaffanculo :P

Tell the truth...Because Magnum PI.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

If you think this engine is the bees-knees then fine

Come on, the bees knees? Maybe the cat's meow.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by ntron1

Tell the truth...Because Magnum PI.

Just a little, I just like Ferrari's lol

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ntron1

Tell the truth...Because Magnum PI.

Was the inspiration for my 'stache

[Tcoat]

Hmmmm must be something in the water. The BRZ gang are going through the same debate. In a slightly less civilized manner I would say though.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hmmmm must be something in the water. The BRZ gang are going through the same debate. In a slightly less civilized manner I would say though.

Do I need to go there?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Do I need to go there?

Nah I think they have removed their differences.

Resolved! Damnit now I am writing in Engrish.