What little things you want to see

[Allch Chcar]

Matador, a sport button doesn't always mean an automatic. The CR-Zzz has three buttons on the 6spd version: Sport, Normal, and Eco. Besides controlling the electric throttle it also controls the electric steering weight/feel. Remember that there were rumors of Toyota trying to improve the FT-86's fuel economy. An Eco button is not out of the question.

And why don't you already share your location? If you are going to piss people off you need to reveal your location or you are violating US Federal internets law. You also need to provide your full name somewhere on the website... but anyway.

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Power nothing
Cloth seats
Heat, AC, CD player the only comforts
No GPS
No Computer console thingy
LSD
Good ole-fashioned 6speed shifter. No computer aided B.S.
Oil-Pressure gauge. No dummy light BS.
No traction control on the car at all anyways, it doesn't belong, at all, ever, and ever, never, not here, fucking take that shit and shove it up your ass, no, I don't even want the holes cut into the firewall for the extra wiring if it were to be ever added or wanted to be added take it all and make it a suppository and then shove itu p your ass.

If I want gizmo's and comforts and stupid computers telling me that I can't slide around even though I explicitly turned off Traction Control, I'll get a car I don't care about.

lawl, do they even make cars like that in the US? Quoted for epicness. ABS just pisses me off .

The only addition I'll make is regarding the differential. I'd prefer that the LSD be a clutch type since the replacement costs for new clutches are cheaper than a new torsen. But also offer a locking differential like the Auburn unit. I really feel that a locking differential would make a big difference for RWD car in bad weather. And having an electronic actuated locking differential would mean that it could be locked or unlocked for poor weather. That and it would be good for drag or drifting.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Matador, a sport button doesn't always mean an automatic. The CR-Zzz has three buttons on the 6spd version: Sport, Normal, and Eco. Besides controlling the electric throttle it also controls the electric steering weight/feel. Remember that there were rumors of Toyota trying to improve the FT-86's fuel economy. An Eco button is not out of the question.

And why don't you already share your location? If you are going to piss people off you need to reveal your location or you are violating US Federal internets law. You also need to provide your full name somewhere on the website... but anyway.




lawl, do they even make cars like that in the US? Quoted for epicness. ABS just pisses me off .

The only addition I'll make is regarding the differential. I'd prefer that the LSD be a clutch type since the replacement costs for new clutches are cheaper than a new torsen. But also offer a locking differential like the Auburn unit. I really feel that a locking differential would make a big difference for RWD car in bad weather. And having an electronic actuated locking differential would mean that it could be locked or unlocked for poor weather. That and it would be good for drag or drifting.

Yeah Torsens are nice up until they break, and they break a lot easier than clutch pack or viscous ones. I don't see a full locking unit happening, usually more of domestic thing... (I actually don't know anything about the performance ones, and only just a bit about the off road ones.) But this got me thinking about an E-diff like Ferrari uses, and Honda pioneered semi-inexpensively on the Prelude SH. Not really a small thing though...

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Yeah Torsens are nice up until they break, and they break a lot easier than clutch pack or viscous ones. I don't see a full locking unit happening, usually more of domestic thing... (I actually don't know anything about the performance ones, and only just a bit about the off road ones.) But this got me thinking about an E-diff like Ferrari uses, and Honda pioneered semi-inexpensively on the Prelude SH. Not really a small thing though...

The Auburn units were about as expensive as a limited slip $$$, but they are marketed to off-roaders. I'm not even mentioning the Ferrari E-diff. A mechanical LSD is considered small enough so I figured it was small enough for this topic.

And a hatchback would be my other small request. Coupes are just ugly IMHO. The back end needs to taper to the end of the vehicle. I actually thought that the rear bodywork on the prototype was to make a kammback like the Prius, Insight, EV1. Although I do admit that is pretty far fetched.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by oneday

Wow. We agree on something. I had just gotten into an discussion on another forum where someone was saying they H-T all the time in traffic...I just don't get it.

Honestly, the number one reason I do it is because it's just good practice. The more you do it, the smoother you get at it, and you establish some muscle memory, so when you have a track day, you're automatically doing it and not screwing it up when it counts.

I've done it so much that it's just a habit now *shrug*

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Holy shit, the planets must have just all aligned






lol. I'm sorry. Might have gotten a little carried away.

Why do you wanna know where I'm from?

You say you're worried that if they have options, it'll be difficult to find the car you want.

Never really understood that. You can just go into a dealership and say here is exactly what I want, and they can place an order and get that exact car. I've done it. You have to wait a few weeks for your vehicle, sure, but that's not a big deal. And when I did it, I didn't have any trouble still negotiating a fair price.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

The Auburn units were about as expensive as a limited slip $$$, but they are marketed to off-roaders. I'm not even mentioning the Ferrari E-diff. A mechanical LSD is considered small enough so I figured it was small enough for this topic.

And a hatchback would be my other small request. Coupes are just ugly IMHO. The back end needs to taper to the end of the vehicle. I actually thought that the rear bodywork on the prototype was to make a kammback like the Prius, Insight, EV1. Although I do admit that is pretty far fetched.

I totally get your desire for a hatchback, but coupes can still be made to taper like you prefer without it being a hatch. And hatches add weight.

[NikostC]

Originally Posted by djohnson

The "little" thing I want most is a good old-fashioned throttle cable, none of this drive by wire stuff for me. Tried it and still drive a vehicle with it occasionally but still don't like it. If not, have the computer permit feathering, heel and toe, blips, whatever you wish to call it rather than interpreting these things as mistakes. When I hit the gas I want throttle, and I want it NOW.

+1 drive by wire sucks

[oneday]

Originally Posted by Maxim

Honestly, the number one reason I do it is because it's just good practice. The more you do it, the smoother you get at it, and you establish some muscle memory, so when you have a track day, you're automatically doing it and not screwing it up when it counts.

I've done it so much that it's just a habit now *shrug*

Practice is one thing...but to say that H-T is "practical" is BS. Do I H-T on the street? Yes, but not on during the daily grind/commute/traffic driving. If you never drive on the track (which is 90% of car owners) you have no need to really H-T (and that is why Nissan's RevMatch is so popular--and it works really well, BTW).

Regarding options...all too often options are in "packages" and it's an all-or-nothing scenario (look at the R-Spec package of the Gen Coupe)...getting a car with only the options you want can be painful if not impossible, especially for a non-elite car manufacturer (Porsce, Ferrari and many other exotics take options/customization to extremes).

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by oneday

Practice is one thing...but to say that H-T is "practical" is BS. Do I H-T on the street? Yes, but not on during the daily grind/commute/traffic driving. If you never drive on the track (which is 90% of car owners) you have no need to really H-T (and that is why Nissan's RevMatch is so popular--and it works really well, BTW).

Regarding options...all too often options are in "packages" and it's an all-or-nothing scenario (look at the R-Spec package of the Gen Coupe)...getting a car with only the options you want can be painful if not impossible, especially for a non-elite car manufacturer (Porsce, Ferrari and many other exotics take options/customization to extremes).

Yeah I know. That's why in my original post I said I really wanted Navigation to be it's own separate option. I want all the tech goodies EXCEPT that.

But I've never run into a problem in terms of getting the car I want. The vehicle before my current car was ordered by the dealership and I waited 2 months, but got exactly what I wanted....it's now been donated to my sister, and is doing great for her. (A 2007 Suzuki SX4....no it wasn't fast, but honestly it was a GREAT little car, with a superb all wheel drive system, low weight, great fuel economy, and a suspension that was actually sporty enough to be genuinely fun, especially in winter!)

[Matador]

^But it's not a sport coupe that will quite probably be in very high demand is it?

[evandael]

Originally Posted by NikostC

+1 drive by wire sucks

Not always. There's nothing like a good DBC (S2000 anyone?), but just like how manufacturers can mess up shift linkage and create a rubbery feeling gearchange, the throttle cable linkage can be screwed up too. My dad's 330ZHP has drive by wire and while it lacks the feel of the S2000 (what car doesn't?), you can certainly heel-toe like a champ. It's not laggy. Its all about the programming.



I did some more thinking..

hatch liftback. the concept seems to have this, and the utility factor would go way up.
taut, direct, tactile steering feel. none of this overboosted shit.
i guess i could read up on this, but i really hope its easy to work on (easily accessible oil filter, drain plug, spark plugs, fuel filter, etc). i like to work on my cars and i hope this one is conducive to that
and yeah.. timing chain or belt?

[Franisco]

^The concept has a trunk. There was a shot of it open at a car show. Hatch would be nice..

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by evandael

Not always. There's nothing like a good DBC (S2000 anyone?), but just like how manufacturers can mess up shift linkage and create a rubbery feeling gearchange, the throttle cable linkage can be screwed up too. My dad's 330ZHP has drive by wire and while it lacks the feel of the S2000 (what car doesn't?), you can certainly heel-toe like a champ. It's not laggy. Its all about the programming.



I did some more thinking..

hatch liftback. the concept seems to have this, and the utility factor would go way up.
taut, direct, tactile steering feel. none of this overboosted shit.
i guess i could read up on this, but i really hope its easy to work on (easily accessible oil filter, drain plug, spark plugs, fuel filter, etc). i like to work on my cars and i hope this one is conducive to that
and yeah.. timing chain or belt?

Does anyone know if electric power assist can be 'hacked'? I know with DBW you can get controllers for, but what about steering? I went through a bit of a process to delete the power steering on my Supra (custom billet alternator bracket to re-tension the new smaller belt). At speed it is freakin' awesome. But parking, omg...

A selectable non-speed sensitive electric assist would be nice. Basically something like a switch for Parking Mode.

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by Maxim

Everybody is all concerned about the big stuff still, since we don't know any of it, so maybe this is premature, but the everyday details can really make or break a car. With that said, what "little things" would you like to see on the production version of this car?

My list of do want:

- one touch up and down windows
- fold flat rear seats
- SD card slot linked to the sound system for easy audio so I don't have to put my zune in a cup holder
- FULLY defeatable traction/stability controls
- interior map lights using red light (allows you to see stuff in the car at night without turning on the overhead lights, and preserves your night vision)
- REAR WIPER
- no, seriously. Rear wiper
- sequencial rear turn signals of some sort (one of the coolest exterior features of the 2010+ mustang)
- Rear window defroster that WORKS. Japanese cars tend to be a bit weak in this area in my experience
- if it gets a turbo, a boost gauge
- a nice fat steering wheel with a flat bottom
- optional recaros
- readouts for fuel economy (instant and average)
- ability to get a loaded model without navigation
- cloth upholstry that doesn't look like crap
- ecu tuning which does not hold onto revs (this is used to lower emissions in modern cars but it's hellishly annoying for rev matching and hurts the sound of the engine....if it must be included, please give me a "sport" button with more aggressive throttle calibration which eliminates it)

Ok that's everything I could think of off the top of my head that is reasonably easy to implement and would t send costs soaring. What'd I miss?

yes! except the sequential turn signals. just give me a single, small yellow light on each side in the rear to indicate my intentions.

Originally Posted by Maxim

Bah, I forgot. A Toyota version of the 370z's synchro rev match would be awesome, as that system truly works wonders.

meh. my right foot works wonders. :happy0180:

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Unfortunately, all cars in the US will be required to have some stability control by 2012. As long as it's able to be defeated, I'm fine with it. I agree with oil pressure gauge, or at least an optional electronic display for it. A rev matching system would be cool if the pedals aren't properly placed for easy heel-toe, but it'd increase cost, so... proper pedal placement! Seats with good side bolstering!

I don't really care about infotainment systems in cars like this; if I had my way I'd go with a radio/navi delete option, especially with a high-revving boxer. Wipers and defrosters and crap like that can go in a cold weather package, I'd only be taking it out on nice days anyhow. I suppose a not-so-small thing I'd like would be a targa top. That won't happen, but I'm fine with it.

Really, if they make a true sports car, everything I'm personally looking for should fall into place.

they really should do a cold-weather package similar to the subarus: heated outside mirrors, wiper blades, seats. toyota usually does really well with their sporty seats, so i'm not tooo worried about it. they should be pretty good if the trend continues.

Originally Posted by 4agze

this are not deal breakers for me but I'd like to see them on my FT86

Entune kinda like the sync from ford, i was reading more about this on CES C.NET
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/04/c...lmost-w-video/

on/full off traction control

on/off ABS will be cool

real nice cloth bucket seats but comfortable w/ easy to remove rear seats

comfortable steering wheel 350 mm Diameter will do

4 piston calipers front, 2 piston calipers on rear

LSD

yessss!

Originally Posted by NikostC

+1 drive by wire sucks

not if it's done properly, nub.