S2000 vs 86 - 3 Years Development Later

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Tell that to the double wishbone equipped Silvias competing at the top (& podiuming) in World Time Attack. :P

I'm sure they already know.

Originally Posted by Valentino

I'm sorry but you all are talking about the 86? That its a horrible handling car? Or you all are talking about the S2000?

The FT(86) and specifically to what D_K and Mike were describing.

It's not a one vs the other.. It's D_K's specific S2 vs D_K's specific FT. The gremlin in the setup hasn't been fleshed out and it's unknown that once the setup is nailed if it will equal the performance of the other. At least that's my take.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by bur****jp

All those Porsches must be doing it wrong.

False, argument is false.

Just because Macs are on a Porsche doesn't mean Macs are good. One could make the same false comparison inversely such as:

"Just think how good those Porsches could be if they had proper suspension!"

See what I did there?

[burdickjp]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

False, argument is false.

Just because Macs are on a Porsche doesn't mean Macs are good. One could make the same false comparison inversely such as:

"Just think how good those Porsches could be if they had proper suspension!"

See what I did there?

Actually, it is a good argument because Porsches are already capable cars. It proves that MacPherson struts can be usable for the kind of performance Porsches are capable of, which is quite a lot. Whether double wishbones would make them faster or not is irrelevant to how fast they already are with struts.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by bur****jp

Actually, it is a good argument because Porsches are already capable cars. It proves that MacPherson struts can be usable for the kind of performance Porsches are capable of, which is quite a lot. Whether double wishbones would make them faster or not is irrelevant to how fast they already are with struts.

You're doing it wrong.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

D_K,

You should fly me down, I'd be happy to help test it on track. I won't even charge.

He's got me locally!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by bur****jp

Actually, it is a good argument because Porsches are already capable cars. It proves that MacPherson struts can be usable for the kind of performance Porsches are capable of, which is quite a lot. Whether double wishbones would make them faster or not is irrelevant to how fast they already are with struts.

How many generations have they done, and they're STILL working on it.

And they struggle to beat Vettes in GT2/GT3...

[D K]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

D_K,

You should fly me down, I'd be happy to help test it on track. I won't even charge.

Im not sure why?
Im quite happy conducting my own testing.

[D K]

Originally Posted by bur****jp

Actually, it is a good argument because Porsches are already capable cars. It proves that MacPherson struts can be usable for the kind of performance Porsches are capable of, which is quite a lot. Whether double wishbones would make them faster or not is irrelevant to how fast they already are with struts.

Porsches are a lot lighter in the front.

Have you ever seen a slo mo vid of a grippy tire 911 (iteration)?
The front end is bouncing all over the place!

Having driven a couple of cup cars I can tell you its unnerving at first.

[D K]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

He's got me locally!

I only take advise from people who are faster than me

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by D K

I only take advise from people who are faster than me

You do take a lot of my advice...

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by D K

Im not sure why?
Im quite happy conducting my own testing.

Well, from the sounds of this thread it appears as if your progress is stalled. A third party should test for a fresh perspective.

[D K]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Well, from the sounds of this thread it appears as if your progress is stalled. A third party should test for a fresh perspective.

Hasnt stalled.

Has been slower than I like and more tedious, but hasnt stalled.

Given the massive amount of stuff in the pipeline, the last 3 months of the year should either be really good or really bad.

Either way, just to cover my basis, plan B is already in effect.

[D K]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You do take a lot of my advice...

About Korean women? Yes.

[D K]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Well, from the sounds of this thread it appears as if your progress is stalled. A third party should test for a fresh perspective.

I just noticed youre in the pnw.

Working near friday harbor at mo.