Help out a rookie?

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Drive the car first. Then determine if you REALLY need more power.

With a 5k budget for parts (not labor, but including EcuTek), if you want a reliable setup, turbos are out of your price range.

Not really. He can easily have a turbo installed for well under $5k with tune.

Speed by Design turbo kit and Works Stage 1 turbo's cost around $3k. Both are pretty good kits.

FI on the Twins is actually pretty reseasonable cost wise.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by xuimod

Not really. He can easily have a turbo installed for well under $5k with tune.

Speed by Design turbo kit and Works Stage 1 turbo's cost around $3k. Both are pretty good kits.

FI on the Twins is actually pretty reseasonable cost wise.

I'm sorry, but I cannot, in good faith, ever recommend setups that overheat or get dangerously hot with 30 seconds of hard driving...

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm sorry, but I cannot, in good faith, ever recommend setups that overheat or get dangerously hot with 30 seconds of hard driving...

30 seconds of hard driving on the streets (WOT on a long straight away or driving really hard, taking turns really fast without stopping) will land you in jail pretty quick. At 30 seconds of WOT, you are maxing out the car's speed, probably going 140-150mph. Very few people drive hard for that long on the streets.

Btw, where do you get reports of these kits overheating after 30 seconds? Not that I don't believe you but just wondering.

I'm sure with an oil cooler, some exhaust wrap and a turbo blanket, these kits should be ok with temps for a bit longer than 30 seconds. Unless your car has been sitting out in 100 degree weather for hours.... but then the driver should use common sense to begin with and be mindful of temps.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by xuimod

30 seconds of hard driving on the streets (WOT on a long straight away or driving really hard, taking turns really fast without stopping) will land you in jail pretty quick. At 30 seconds of WOT, you are maxing out the car's speed, probably going 140-150mph. Very few people drive hard for that long on the streets.

Btw, where do you get reports of these kits overheating after 30 seconds? Not that I don't believe you but just wondering.

I'm sure with an oil cooler, some exhaust wrap and a turbo blanket, these kits should be ok with temps for a bit longer than 30 seconds. Unless your car has been sitting out in 100 degree weather for hours.... but then the driver should use common sense to begin with and be mindful of temps.

I do it myself....

WOT for 5 seconds, brake down, WOT 5 seconds, brake down, rinse and repeat, and watch that temp gauge skyrocket. It's no different from what you might be doing on a spirited mountain run, or on track.

You'd be surprised how few drivers can watch their temps while driving at or close to their limits on a spirited run.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by xuimod

Btw, where do you get reports of these kits overheating after 30 seconds? Not that I don't believe you but just wondering.

I'm sure with an oil cooler, some exhaust wrap and a turbo blanket, these kits should be ok with temps for a bit longer than 30 seconds. Unless your car has been sitting out in 100 degree weather for hours.... but then the driver should use common sense to begin with and be mindful of temps.

LOOOOOOL. OK, seriously, you are NOT going to win this fight with CSG Mike. Not only are you wrong, you're embarrassing yourself. Much love. LOL.

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

LOOOOOOL. OK, seriously, you are NOT going to win this fight with CSG Mike. Not only are you wrong, you're embarrassing yourself. Much love. LOL.

Dude, shut it. Who said anything about winning? Its about offering a different perspective.

Not everyone pushes their car to the limit, especially when the driver knows the limits of their car. In fact, any car, anywhere can be broken at the race track if pushed hard enough for long enough, even an F1 car...... why do you think they have pit stops during races?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by xuimod

Dude, shut it. Who said anything about winning? Its about offering a different perspective.

Not everyone pushes their car to the limit, especially when the driver knows the limits of their car. In fact, any car, anywhere can be broken at the race track if pushed hard enough for long enough, even an F1 car...... why do you think they have pit stops during races?

For fueling and replacing worn tires? You don't replace broken engines on a pit stop...

My point is that a turbo is fine for just daily driving, but if that's all your're going to do, then why bother turboing the car at all? You boost a car to drive it fast and hard...

[brzaapi]

OP
I have owned two BRZs. One was FI, and the second(current) is NA with headers and E85 tune. Believe me, keep the car NA for a while. Enjoy it, savor it, take it to an autocross and appreciate the simplicity of it. Learn to feel the nuances of the car. Not to mention, you may go out there and embarrass some smoking cars, with less than smoking drivers.


You can learn from my experience or go drop 12K on a turbo kit and after the novelty of having some stupid power at your fingertips, you will kinda miss your ole NA BRZ. One is simple and just damn fun. The turbo is loads of fun, until its not so much. But this is coming from a guy who has built up a lot of cars just for power sake(STI/EVO/BMW/Porsche). Then I got more serious about AX and tracking. I want to learn. So I gave up my Turboed Cayman. I bought a used Miata. AX'd (autocrossed) that for a year. I learned a ton, I will never make fun of a Miata again. Then I got my second BRZ. I will run my second season with it this year. Then next winter the plan is to go back to a Cayman (and not turbo it) and continue my little journey.


If you don't know the answer now, then do nothing. In time you will know what you want. Hope that made sense, and was helpful.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by brzaapi

OP
I have owned two BRZs. One was FI, and the second(current) is NA with headers and E85 tune. Believe me, keep the car NA for a while. Enjoy it, savor it, take it to an autocross and appreciate the simplicity of it. Learn to feel the nuances of the car. Not to mention, you may go out there and embarrass some smoking cars, with less than smoking drivers.


You can learn from my experience or go drop 12K on a turbo kit and after the novelty of having some stupid power at your fingertips, you will kinda miss your ole NA BRZ. One is simple and just damn fun. The turbo is loads of fun, until its not so much. But this is coming from a guy who has built up a lot of cars just for power sake(STI/EVO/BMW/Porsche). Then I got more serious about AX and tracking. I want to learn. So I gave up my Turboed Cayman. I bought a used Miata. AX'd (autocrossed) that for a year. I learned a ton, I will never make fun of a Miata again. Then I got my second BRZ. I will run my second season with it this year. Then next winter the plan is to go back to a Cayman (and not turbo it) and continue my little journey.


If you don't know the answer now, then do nothing. In time you will know what you want. Hope that made sense, and was helpful.

Please get a GT4...

[brzaapi]

That's funny. I just made the GT4 my new desktop wallpaper this morning. I would love to get the GT4. But man that is some serious money, do-able thank god... but man...whew...we will see. However, that does mean next winter there should be a good selection of used 981s with better pricing.


If I go the Porsche route (which is damn likely) it will definitely be the 981. The wife already tracks a 987.2, but hers is a PDK. But that engine in the GT4....all I gotta say is, Thank you Porsche...ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Please get a GT4...