Help out a rookie?

[kbogarto]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Drive the car first. Then determine if you REALLY need more power.

With a 5k budget for parts (not labor, but including EcuTek), if you want a reliable setup, turbos are out of your price range.

I installed my turbo for under 5k. Including tuning and catch can

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by kbogarto

I installed my turbo for under 5k. Including tuning and catch can

Do you think it would survive 5 back to back hot laps at the track with me driving? That's the bar I set for reliability.

So far, only 2 turbo cars have withstood this challenge, and both of them had significantly more than 5k in their drivetrains.

[kbogarto]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Do you think it would survive 5 back to back hot laps at the track with me driving? That's the bar I set for reliability.

So far, only 2 turbo cars have withstood this challenge, and both of them had significantly more than 5k in their drivetrains.

No it would not. I daily drive my car and it is fine for the street but wouldn't survive a track day. I don't think a 5k budget is enough for any FI 86 for the track. But for a street car it can be done.

[EAGLE5]

On a hot day, the stock car can't do all that many hot laps without an oil cooler. With a turbo, you need extra, extra, extra cooling, and then your brakes need to be bigger. And you probably need more rubber. And that stock suspension is now looking a bit overwhelmed. Oh, your clutch is gone. Get a new one. Hey, you didn't put in a new fuel system? Are you nuts? Gee, I hope the oil pressure can stay up with all that horsepower. Oh snap! There goes a rod because you drove it like you meant it with 300whp.

If you wanna go to the track and don't want to spend lots, a stock car with upgraded pads, upgraded fluid, a tune, and an oil cooler are all you need. If you want more than that, spend shit loads of money.

Now if you want to stay on the street, no problem with a turbo, or at least fewer problems.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Wat? Do elaborate, though!

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

I think what he is getting at is that turbo's, especially twin scroll, are not that far off from S/c with respect to on demand power.

When you say "low speed driving" do you mean Hittin The Streets? If so, then a Vortech/JR/Kraftwerks SC might be the right answer. If you instead mean low RPM driving or accelerating at a lower RPM, then turbo is the answer. Those SC kits don't produce max boost until redline where a properly sized turbo can produce max boost in the 3000 RPM range right where you need it. You will get a surge of torque and acceleration with no need to rev it all the way to redline.

[Outride]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

If youre seriously interested in just the car ... No need to go turbo rught out of the box.

Okay thank you. I appreciate it when people actually give tips/ideas on what mods could be used. I was debating on recuding weight, and possibly give the suspension's an upgrade if I ended up not sc'ing or going turbo.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

^This^
I bought mine fully expecting to go FI based upon what I had read in the reviews. Once I drove it a bit the reality was that I didn't feel the need for more power then I could get with a simple drop in filter, exhaust and suspension tweaks..
There is a huge disconnect between the on paper specs and the feel of wheels on pavement with these cars.
At least drive one for a bit before deciding.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Drive the car first. Then determine if you REALLY need more power.

With a 5k budget for parts (not labor, but including EcuTek), if you want a reliable setup, turbos are out of your price range.

I completely agree. Paper and real life are quite different. Every agency I've had a talk with has pretty much begged me to come drive the car. Wonder why that's so? ;D Non the less, I think I will drive both auto and manual, just to get a feel of each. Then possibly deicide.

Originally Posted by mav1178

Actually, OP is brainwashed by "lack of power" propaganda it seems...

Interesting way of putting it. So far I've only looked at the specs on paper for multiple different cars. And after narrowing it down as much as possible began watching reviews. Which led to forums such as this. Which did not neccessarily seem to "push for" FI, but many seem to agree with it. Hence the post, I was simply asking for opinions.

all! I believe I replied to most. Or at least those with questions or ones I could answer to.

[Roadster19]

Its not slow by any means i mean its fast enough to kill you, if you want power get a mustang or like an accord coupe with the v6. The frs/brz is about as fast as a civic or elantra but its handling is great and looks better then either of those 2 cars. Long story short of you want a fast cat, get a faster car from the start

[Turdinator]

I am so impressed with this forum.

OP, I 100% agree with the majority of people in this thread. If you like the car drive it for a while before laying out any cash on FI. A few of things I have noticed during my ownership:
1. The car will feel slow when new. When you are breaking it in and keeping the revs low it does ok but is far from its best. Also it felt like after the first 6 months it loosened up further so first impressions aren't exactly accurate.
2. The car needs to be driven. It is not one that you can be lazy with. If you want to accelerate change down some gears, above 5k rpm it is a much happier beast.
3. Learn to drive around the torque dip. Unless you get the right header and tune (or go FI) there will be a dip in power between about 3.5k and 4.5k rpm. Use the gears and stay out of this area. Also don't expect much below 2k rpm.
4. Get an E85 tune

[aznatama]

FWIW,

I don't suggest FI w/ a 5k budget. There's way more to just power as others have said (ie rubber, brakes, cooling, dyno time, etc.)

This is what I have done in terms of powertrain, and I love it so far.
-EcuTek off the shelf tune
-Supertek intake tube and panel filter
-Complete exhaust system (catted EL header, uncatted front pipe)
-Motul and AmsOil fluids

That should use up about 3-4k depending on your selection in exhausts. Spend the rest on other things that you'd fancy, such as stereo upgrade, clear bra, cosmetic kits, rear view camera, dashcam, floormats, etc.

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Do you think it would survive 5 back to back hot laps at the track with me driving? That's the bar I set for reliability.

So far, only 2 turbo cars have withstood this challenge, and both of them had significantly more than 5k in their drivetrains.

Hmmm, thats an interesting challenge...

What kind of times do you do at laguna or thunderhill in the CSG car?

I kind of want you to try that in my own car(there is more then $5k into the car, but not into the engine/turbo kit), but I want to be in the car when it happens.

So its not a completely comment,

OP, I will say I have done the full N/A bolt on and Forced induction route, I still occasionally regret going FI because of how fun this car is with just bolt ons, tires and good brake pads and how annoying it can be to try and keep these cars cool on the track.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Neal@EQtuning

Hmmm, thats an interesting challenge...

What kind of times do you do at laguna or thunderhill in the CSG car?

I kind of want you to try that in my own car(there is more then $5k into the car, but not into the engine/turbo kit), but I want to be in the car when it happens.

So its not a completely comment,

OP, I will say I have done the full N/A bolt on and Forced induction route, I still occasionally regret going FI because of how fun this car is with just bolt ons, tires and good brake pads and how annoying it can be to try and keep these cars cool on the track.

I've never really attempted a record pace lap at either track...

What's done to your car? I can probably give you an educated guess on the result.

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I've never really attempted a record pace lap at either track...

What's done to your car? I can probably give you an educated guess on the result.

Haha, well I don't know how hard you drive, but I would assume in 5 laps you could get my oil quite hot and probably cook my brakes. I haven't seen over 240 degree oil temps yet, but Im no pro..

It has the SBD/Zage turbo kit, 2.5" catless nameless, ceramic coated charge pipes, lava wrapped headers, lava blanket on the turbo, koyo radiator, kate shrouded non-thermostatic oil cooler, ducted bumper and radiator foam, Tein Streetflex coils, Tired RE050a run flats(waiting on rs3's to come into stock), whiteline front sway, STI brembo's on all four corners, Winmax W4's, whiteline bushings everywhere, Southbend clutch, MAP VTA catch cans, and I'm sure I'm forgetting things. 100oct when Im at the track and boost turned down to 9psi.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Neal@EQtuning

Haha, well I don't know how hard you drive, but I would assume in 5 laps you could get my oil quite hot and probably cook my brakes. I haven't seen over 240 degree oil temps yet, but Im no pro..

It has the SBD/Zage turbo kit, 2.5" catless nameless, ceramic coated charge pipes, lava wrapped headers, lava blanket on the turbo, koyo radiator, kate shrouded non-thermostatic oil cooler, ducted bumper and radiator foam, Tein Streetflex coils, Tired RE050a run flats(waiting on rs3's to come into stock), whiteline front sway, STI brembo's on all four corners, Winmax W4's, whiteline bushings everywhere, Southbend clutch, MAP VTA catch cans, and I'm sure I'm forgetting things. 100oct when Im at the track and boost turned down to 9psi.

The brakes will give out first at Laguna.

I'm 100% sure I can overheat your car based on your mod list; I can't determine in which order the car will overheat though. With 91, coolant and oil is a tossup, depending on cooling and ambient temps. On 100, it'll likely be engine oil first. With E85 and enough power, the trans may come into play.

You should come play with us at 86CUP Round 2 at Buttonwillow on Feb 28th

I'm definitely glad to see you guys are open with your setup, unlike some others on the FI subforum

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The brakes will give out first at Laguna.

I'm 100% sure I can overheat your car based on your mod list; I can't determine in which order the car will overheat though. With 91, coolant and oil is a tossup, depending on cooling and ambient temps. On 100, it'll likely be engine oil first. With E85 and enough power, the trans may come into play.

You should come play with us at 86CUP Round 2 at Buttonwillow on Feb 28th

I'm definitely glad to see you guys are open with your setup, unlike some others on the FI subforum

All sounds about right to me! The fact that on a 78 degree ambient day, I was able to reach 240 with the oil so easily, has me planning for the hotter months quite vigorously. Haha

Btw, I cooked my brakes BAD at Laguna 2 weeks ago on some stop tech pads.

I would love to come out there and play with you guys, it's definitely in my head to try and make. I would like to at least show my face at a few 86 cup events this year.

I love sharing my setup, as well as our other car(my boss's) running a similar setup but on e85. I'm not a fan of secrecy like these other places, we are out there testing for our own benefit and the customers, and I like my customers to know when sh*t doesn't work!