Anyone with a BRZ get brake-checked tonight?

[garfull]

this is what can happen for stopping on a freeway.
http://time.com/3640529/emma-czornob...canada-driver/

[PMok]

Originally Posted by garfull

this is what can happen for stopping on a freeway.
http://time.com/3640529/emma-czornob...canada-driver/

A similar situation actually happened to me once a few years back. I was driving across the Dumbarton Bridge, towards Palo Alto. Going about 60-70mph. At the shoreline section just before University Ave the car in front of me suddenly stopped hard. I was able to stop in time as well and other cars around me also stopped. Up ahead suddenly appeared a woman, frantically running across the highway chasing a small group of little ducklings. She had pulled off to the side but was out in the 3 or 4 lane highway trying to shoo the ducks across. That was my WTF moment for the day, glad no one was hurt (including the ducklings) but that was a potentially very dangerous situation.

[Kotu100]

ANYONE who comes to a complete stop in the middle of the road with no traffic in front of them or any obvious road obstructions is a fucking idiot.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Kotu100

ANYONE who comes to a complete stop in the middle of the road with no traffic in front of them or any obvious road obstructions is a fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by stugray

I cannot see EVER charging someone with this crime.

All the people stopped in this video would be charged with this crime + being idiots:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRTiOZji6g"]Taking Over Freeway: Cars doing donuts ON FREEWAY (OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA) ORIGINAL VIDEO - YouTube[/ame]

-alex

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by mav1178

All the people stopped in this video would be charged with this crime + being idiots:

-alex

Guys doing donuts in the middle of the freeway, clearly idiots.

People stopped because of people doing donuts in the freeway?
It was obvious that it was not safe to proceed.

But you know exactly what people are talking about, just being argumentative i guess.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

People stopped because of people doing donuts in the freeway?
It was obvious that it was not safe to proceed.

I'm talking about the people that stopped to get out of cars and film, including the cameraman in the video I posted.

That's what I was referencing when replying to Stugray's comment on whether this can be charged as a crime or not.

-alex

[sw20kosh]

Don't tailgate people. Go around them. This incident could have been avoided by not tailgating.

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by stugray

They absolutely DO give you reason to stop your car on the highway (although NOT JUST to obstruct traffic)

Are you saying that someone who just got chili powder in their eye should not stop the vehicle immediately?
I have actually done this before, and I was BARELY able to find the shoulder before coming to a stop.
And my point was - anything can make someone panic.
Panic alone is justification enough to stop the car.

I even teach my kids that "if in doubt stop the vehicle".
"I didnt want to stop" should never be an excuse for being in an accident.

So I also teach my kids to not tailgate, convincing my wife is a different matter altogether....

Don't stop on a freeway. That's just fucking stupid. Put your hazards on, slow down and pull over. Your kid is going to end up in a worse situation stopping in the middle of 70mph+ traffic than if (s)he had just pulled over. Who the fuck tells their kid to do this?

[murdoc]

Originally Posted by stugray

Sorry but at least in MY state if you rear end someone for any reason, it is the person doing the rear-ending that is at fault.

As far as the cops are concerned, if you are following so close you cannot absorb a "brake check" then YOU are at fault.

And if I am driving on the highway and someone tailgates me when I have nowhere else to go (following the next person at legal gap), I will give bigger & bigger brake checks until they get the message.

AND if they try to go around me on the right (and I am following at legal distance), I wont let them in front of me.

How do you stop them from getting in front of you and remain at legal following distance?

[Sypher]

Originally Posted by stugray

They absolutely DO give you reason to stop your car on the highway (although NOT JUST to obstruct traffic)

Are you saying that someone who just got chili powder in their eye should not stop the vehicle immediately?
I have actually done this before, and I was BARELY able to find the shoulder before coming to a stop.
And my point was - anything can make someone panic.
Panic alone is justification enough to stop the car.

I even teach my kids that "if in doubt stop the vehicle".
"I didnt want to stop" should never be an excuse for being in an accident.

So I also teach my kids to not tailgate, convincing my wife is a different matter altogether....

Stopping in the middle of the road is extremely dangerous if traffic is still moving. the safe thing to do is to turn on your hazards and pull off of the road. as @garfull posted earlier stopping in the road can potentially cause a serious accident.

Also it is 100% illegal in California to leave from a traffic accident.

20002. (a) The driver of any vehicle involved in an accident
resulting only in damage to any property, including vehicles, shall
immediately stop the vehicle at the nearest location that will not
impede traffic or otherwise jeopardize the safety of other motorists.
Moving the vehicle in accordance with this subdivision does not
affect the question of fault. The driver shall also immediately do
either of the following:
(1) Locate and notify the owner or person in charge of that
property of the name and address of the driver and owner of the
vehicle involved and, upon locating the driver of any other vehicle
involved or the owner or person in charge of any damaged property,
upon being requested, present his or her driver's license, and
vehicle registration, to the other driver, property owner, or person
in charge of that property. The information presented shall include
the current residence address of the driver and of the registered
owner. If the registered owner of an involved vehicle is present at
the scene, he or she shall also, upon request, present his or her
driver's license information, if available, or other valid
identification to the other involved parties.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by brianhj

Don't stop on a freeway. That's just fucking stupid. Put your hazards on, slow down and pull over. Your kid is going to end up in a worse situation stopping in the middle of 70mph+ traffic than if (s)he had just pulled over. Who the fuck tells their kid to do this?

Originally Posted by Sypher

Stopping in the middle of the road is extremely dangerous if traffic is still moving. the safe thing to do is to turn on your hazards and pull off of the road. as @garfull posted earlier stopping in the road can potentially cause a serious accident.
.

Thanks for the tips.
However both of you can settle down.
I am NOT condoning Just stopping in the middle of the freeway.
This is a perfect example of taking things out of context.

The whole discussion is about who is at fault in a rear end collision.

I was merely pointing out many reasons WHY people might just stop on a freeway (good reason or not) and that we need to be ready for it at any time.

It is just a fact of driving on the freeway that you might have to come to an instantaneous stop for whatever reason, and there is no "Law" that you can be charged for for doing it.
EXCEPT - in the rare cases where you do something fucking stupid like shut down traffic for dragracing, donuts, or just trying to cause an accident.

But if something happens like a freaking boulder drops on the road in front of you (happens here often), you dont hesitate and think "Hmm I wonder if I will inconvenience someone by stopping right now, perhaps I should signal and see if I can perhaps maneuver around it without disrupting traffic too much"
YOU JUST FUCKING STOP!

[Porcupint]

Plot twist. Road raging meat head speeds past you on the right. Cuts you off and slams on the brakes before you have time to react or even alter your following distance. Who's at fault now?

[LXXXV1]

Originally Posted by stugray

I'm sorry sir, but a bug flew in my eye, there was a bee in the car, and I am allergic, I was eating some hot cheetos, rubbed my eyes, and they started burning, A squirrel ran in front of me, I heard tires screeching... maybe it came from the radio, I felt faint and decided to stop the vehicle, A spider crawled across my face, I thought I was going to throw up....

Originally Posted by stugray

But if something happens like a freaking boulder drops on the road in front of you (happens here often), you dont hesitate and think "Hmm I wonder if I will inconvenience someone by stopping right now, perhaps I should signal and see if I can perhaps maneuver around it without disrupting traffic too much"
YOU JUST FUCKING STOP!

Agree with the bolder thing but both these are completely different reasons...first quote are all valid reasons to safely pull over, not come to a sudden stop. I believe the OP talks about brake checking, which is a sudden stop.

And also, coming from California, most rear enders are at fault. BUT in the case of this dumbass, he posted it on social media admitting he stopped to brake check the BRZ, violating 22109. Slim chance the BRZ owner can win this if he finds this thread, decides to fight it, and can identify the guys car. Slim is still better than no chance if the dumbass didn't admit it.

Originally Posted by tonylop33

22109. No person shall stop or suddenly decrease the speed of a vehicle on a highway without first giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided in this chapter to the driver of any vehicle immediately to the rear when there is opportunity to give the signal.
22400. (a) ...No person shall bring a vehicle to a complete stop upon a highway so as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic unless the stop is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

Also...why ever brake check anyone? If someone tailgates me, I just stop accelerating until they get the message, which anyone tailgating usually gets as soon as they have to brake(not from sudden braking, but from deceleration). This completely avoids sudden stops and good chance of avoiding a rear end. You want to send the message, not get hit.

[Kiske]

Originally Posted by PMok

I'm sure karma will catch up with him sooner or later...

And if not his license plate on his white pos dodge truck is 6U33242.... [Ferrari] FxxK this guy! Also note the picture location. Bet that is where his insurance company is.