IS IT NORMAL

[Tromatic]

Be he gets good mileage, though.

[WGMGR]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Damn. OP, your car is fucked. I'd go to the dealer and demand a new car.

I THINK YOU JINXED ME MAN!!!! ran over a deer today..

[Ultramaroon]

No fucking way! OMG, that SUX! Are you alright?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WGMGR

I THINK YOU JINXED ME MAN!!!! ran over a deer today..

Over a deer? I would have a hard time going over a squirrel!
Much damage?

[cycleboy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I guess a lot of my habits come from the training I had as an army truck driver. The truck was always in some gear while moving. You ever got caught "free wheeling" in neutral you could expect a stern lecture at best and extra duties at worst. Same with traveling with the clutch in, anything more then a few feet when coming to a stop was a no no.
The theory being that if something happened and you had to maneuver the transmission was already in gear so it was just gas and go, not shift gas and go. That split second shifting from neutral could make the difference in a bad situation. I know that doing this saved my bacon more than once over the years.
Not for a second saying my way is right or wrong, it is just what I was trained for and is habit now. I doubt if I could force myself to actually coast in neutral even if I wanted too after driving the way I have for 40 years.

Yeah, I'm not saying either way is right or wrong either, just trying to understand the logic. But, I think the part in your post I bolded above is different than what was stated that confused me.

The post I commented on was talking clutch in -> go down 2, 3, or 4 gears -> clutch out. To me, if you are taking the time to slow down enough to go from 6th to 3rd or so, that's more than a few feet when coming to a stop.

It also sounds like what you describe w/ the Army truck is essentially downshifting without matching revs, in essence the truck slowed enough while you were shifting to the next gear down that the revs were already pretty close to tranny speed when you let the clutch back out. Am I reading that right?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by cycleboy

Yeah, I'm not saying either way is right or wrong either, just trying to understand the logic. But, I think the part in your post I bolded above is different than what was stated that confused me.

The post I commented on was talking clutch in -> go down 2, 3, or 4 gears -> clutch out. To me, if you are taking the time to slow down enough to go from 6th to 3rd or so, that's more than a few feet when coming to a stop.

It also sounds like what you describe w/ the Army truck is essentially downshifting without matching revs, in essence the truck slowed enough while you were shifting to the next gear down that the revs were already pretty close to tranny speed when you let the clutch back out. Am I reading that right?

Exactly! These types of threads can confuse the hell out of me because what originally gets said turns out to be a simple miss phrase and wasn't what the poster meant at all.

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by cycleboy

Yeah, I'm not saying either way is right or wrong either, just trying to understand the logic. But, I think the part in your post I bolded above is different than what was stated that confused me.

The post I commented on was talking clutch in -> go down 2, 3, or 4 gears -> clutch out. To me, if you are taking the time to slow down enough to go from 6th to 3rd or so, that's more than a few feet when coming to a stop.

It also sounds like what you describe w/ the Army truck is essentially downshifting without matching revs, in essence the truck slowed enough while you were shifting to the next gear down that the revs were already pretty close to tranny speed when you let the clutch back out. Am I reading that right?

The reasoning is exactly as Tcoat said. To have the car in a proper gear in case of an impending accident.

Did you know it is illegal to coast in neutral in most states? For that very reason

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by cycleboy

This is confusing to me. Why would you go down through the gears as though downshifting but without letting the clutch out?

I would either actually downshift or put it in neutral and coast until time to go again. (FWIW, I'm no expert but I have driven sticks for almost 30 years, without damaging or prematurely wearing out any of them.)

I'm 50 so right in between you and Tcoat. Not ashamed to admit this is a technique I've learned recently. Mechanically, it makes perfect sense. Even if not double-clutching, it's still easier on the syncros to match up from the next higher gear instead of skipping gears.

I humbly admit I've been doing it wrong until recently. I've always been nice to the driveline but never really considered it from a defensive driving perspective. Still working on changing my habits. Gonna take some time but if it helps avoid a single collision, it will have been worth it.

[Frishkorn]

OP, learn to rev-match downshift (no heel toe necessary). It's smoother, fun, and it sounds good!

Speaking of which, I've nailed rev matching downshifts (this is my first manual) and want to move on to heel-toe. Someone told me that it can't be done on a stock ECU, as the FR-S will not accept throttle input with the brake applied. Is this BS?

[WGMGR]

Originally Posted by Frishkorn

OP, learn to rev-match downshift (no heel toe necessary). It's smoother, fun, and it sounds good

I actually do. Just started like a week ago

[WGMGR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Over a deer? I would have a hard time going over a squirrel!
Much damage?

Ya, truck in front of me hit it and luckily the son of a bitch was down or it would have been worse. Still drivable but front lip is screwed and radiator is pushed in and just one little paint chip on the hard stuff. 2500 miles.... ;( repair shop doesn't have an opening till the 23rd fml...

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by WGMGR

For your car to sit at 1 rpm when you push in clutch at speed? (Like it won't drop to idle (0.7 to 0.6) untill you come to a fully stop?

I really think you should read the tachometer more carefully.



whatever number you see needs to be multiplied by 1000.

Makes what you have to say easier to understand, and reduces the amount of troll posts.

Also improves your automotive knowledge vastly.

-alex

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Frishkorn

Someone told me that it can't be done on a stock ECU, as the FR-S will not accept throttle input with the brake applied. Is this BS?

It's BS. I haven't even been able to confirm the assertion that the throttle cut kicks in after several seconds of brake application.

Not saying for sure that nothing is happening, just that heel-toe is quite doable.