Brembo STI Brake for BRZ

[VacantSky]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Except both TRD and STI have pulled their stainless brake lines because of some issues with them...

That's TRD and STI. I wouldn't buy either of those purely because of the name brand tax. Agency power have really nice SS lines for about $60.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by VacantSky

That's TRD and STI. I wouldn't buy either of those purely because of the name brand tax. Agency power have really nice SS lines for about $60.

It has nothing to do with the brand, it's the design in general and appears the hoses are meant to move and stretch (something the stainless lines won't do)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57872

[VacantSky]

Originally Posted by Poodles

It has nothing to do with the brand, it's the design in general and appears the hoses are meant to move and stretch (something the stainless lines won't do)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57872

People have been using stainless lines for years and years. And it's a recall about their own lines for a reason: Toyota HAS to do this on the very slim chance the brakes will fail. That's an insurance liability straight from a huge car manufacturer.

Honestly if you are doing stainless lines, you're doing it for better pedal feel on performance brakes. If you're using performance brakes (well, properly using) you're going to be doing a lot of pad changes and rotor changes and fluid flushes. If you're doing all of that, then you'll be inspecting your equipment regularly.
If you didn't know (not being sarcastic, this if just for information of those who don't know)- stainless lines are just a bradied steel around a rubber hose. So if the metal does some how deteriorate your brakes aren't exactly going to fail 100%. A rubber hose flexing in a solid fitting attatched to a caliper has probably the same chance of leaking. I don't see how stainless lines "don't move", I've had stainless lines on several vehicles, all of which have moved without restriction with the front wheels, and had the same set on the vehicle for 40+ thousand miles with track days and ZERO issues.

Again Toyota has to do this on the off chance a failure does happen, because the cost of someones life isn't something they need to have thrown in their face for original equiptment on a production vehicle. I've been a car enthusiast all of my life, and even after seriously getting into cars at the age of 12, in the following 16 years I've not seen a case of stainless lines failing. That being said I've always been a part of good car communities who buy components from respected aftermarket brake manufacturers. The agency power lines I talked about have an additional clear plastic coating on top of the stainless braid for even further protection.

But you can do what you want with your car, it's your car. For every day driving, rubber hoses all day everyday- no doubt, there is absolutely no need for stainless lines. But then if I purchased a car used and the previous owner had put a decent companys SS lines on it, I wouldn't take them off.

All of this of course is my own opinion and how I choose to live my life. Don't take it as fact. I'm just saying there's no need for over reactions! Just can't iterate enough why Toyota as a company has to do it. Aftermarket parts always have a warranty clause/disclosure about parts being for offroad use only for a reason, the same reason Toyota stopped making it a factory accesory - if it fails they are liable. Be smart, inspect your shit regular and lose no sleep.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Except both TRD and STI have pulled their stainless brake lines because of some issues with them...

Stainless lines also have a shorter lifespan, and need more careful checking to make sure they're in good shape. That's probably why TRD and STI pulled theirs.

The generally accepted lifespan is about 2 years, so it's not a one time investment but now a wear and tire item. People don't realize this when buying, and if a brake line blows you're going to have a VERY bad time (especially if it's on a track).

I'm on the fence about replacing my stainless lines in the spring, or just going back to stock. I found that better pads took a lot of the mushiness out of the brake pedal. The difference in pedal feel between stock pads and ferodo ds2500's is huge. I swap pads for winter back to stock, and they're definitely much softer, and that's with stainless lines and a MC brace).

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by VacantSky

If you didn't know (not being sarcastic, this if just for information of those who don't know)- stainless lines are just a bradied steel around a rubber hose. So if the metal does some how deteriorate your brakes aren't exactly going to fail 100%. A rubber hose flexing in a solid fitting attatched to a caliper has probably the same chance of leaking. I don't see how stainless lines "don't move", I've had stainless lines on several vehicles, all of which have moved without restriction with the front wheels, and had the same set on the vehicle for 40+ thousand miles with track days and ZERO issues.

Stainless steel brake lines are teflon inside. The braid on the outside is integral to the structure of the line. If the braid isn't sealed (this is why there's a clear or colored sheath on the outside), dirt will get in between the braid and abrade the teflon leading to a leak.

Stainless steel lines are stiffer and don't stretch where a rubber line would, so routing of the line might be the issue on this car (just idle speculation).

[VacantSky]

Lol whoops. I know it's all speculation, and it's good that Toyota has stopped sales of these for their own liability reason. I'll still run them on my car, 0 issues on the 3 previous cars I have owned. But then when I change my oil and rotate tires I'm normally running my eyes over everything. I can see that because the brake is ran forward of the strut that routing could be the issue due to potential rubbing on the strut? VS the wrx having it aft of the strut.

[wparsons]

Two full summers (and the winter in the middle) on my StopTech lines, and no issues with rubbing, cracking, etc. If I change them out in the spring it would be out of paranoia, not visible damage/wear.

[Reaper]

Spit balling a bit here but I'm pretty sure spiegler is the only dot approved stainless steel brake line. Either way stainless lines on a road car need yearly inspection. Spiegler has some awesome YouTube video tests of their stuff.

[wparsons]

StopTech is most definitely DOT approved, not sure about others.

[PhoKingCool]

Are they affiliated with FBM?

[qqqqball]

log onto www.car-part.com, search for 2008-14 Subaru STI calipers, make a deal and boom. You will also need a set of DBA rotors (dual drilled)...Cheapest route

[cslntuee]

Originally Posted by Neal@EQtuning

I don't have the link anymore because I bought them, but just searching "STi brembos" or "STi calipers" will give results. I don't see any 08+ black calipers on their now. But they do pop up.

Do you know where can get the new one in US?
I just want to see how much price different.
Thanks.

[Mr.Ferret]

Originally Posted by Neal@EQtuning

I don't know what the currency transfer rate is, but I just put together the same package, with stainless lines as well, for $1800usd. That's ebay for the calipers and rallysport for the rest. They are great brakes, but that is far too expensive.

Yep we call that the Australia tax, despite having a near identical exchange rate, everything costs more over here for no good reason...

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Spit balling a bit here but I'm pretty sure spiegler is the only dot approved stainless steel brake line. Either way stainless lines on a road car need yearly inspection. Spiegler has some awesome YouTube video tests of their stuff.

DOT approved brake lines require the ends to be swaged or crimped. This isn't really ideal for a braided line, but the alternatives aren't DOT approved.