How satisfied are you with your FR-S/BRZ?

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

To this point (in my area DFW - Texas) I tried to sell it.

Did not have a single person interested in looking at it even after I lowered the price.

I traded it to the dealer yesterday. They were not able to find a single Toyota/Scion dealer that wanted the car. Claimed high stock and low demand.

I was not going to budge on my lowest acceptable trade value so they worked for over an hour and found a wholesaler who would buy it.

My car was in pristine condition (I treat my cars like children) with a clean history and less than 30k miles so still under factory warranty.

That's because in Dallas people only drive Mustangs. I've never seen so many freaking Mustangs. I think it's like some sort of Texas inside joke or something.

I'm curious, I know what the listed residual value was when the car came out. Anyone have any updates to help these poor souls move into a nice 4k lb block of steel?

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by AsianStyle

I find it hard to believe that everyone, can't think of one think they would think would make the car better than how it comes in stock form.

Heck, all my cars are modded and not for bling. There is no perfect car I wouldn't change something about until you drop down maybe $400,000. So I don't think modding cars indicates anything about the 86 versus other choices.

I had to test drive this car 3x's before it all started to add up and make sense for me enough to actually buy one. I had a lot of reservations to start off with. I have sharper edgier cars, more powerful cars with more cylinders, grippier cars with AWD. In the final analysis, it simply was the most versatile jack of all trades daily driver for a single person available with great performance potential based on how I like to have fun driving. It also has a stupid funny 'character' that makes you want to giggle after you do dumb stuff like donuts or a slight drift before you put the car to bed at the end of the day. Despite not being the best at any one thing, it's the only car I have that makes me want to do 'just one more thing' before I park it in the garage.

This car is just funny. I laugh getting close to 40mpg on a long trip. I laugh when I take an off ramp at ludicrous speed weaving through traffic and the car's aero doesn't flinch. I laugh when people or things stand in the middle of the street and pretend to be cones. I laugh going to Home Depot or IKEA and hauling back a desk or set of shelves. To me, this car is freaking hilarious and I love it for it. Thin paint, crickets and all. If this car had a British badge on it, people wouldn't be complaining about anything. Quirks are special if you're British...or even Swedish.

[Romanov]

Originally Posted by abraxis

That's because in Dallas people only drive Mustangs. I've never seen so many freaking Mustangs. I think it's like some sort of Texas inside joke or something.

I'm curious, I know what the listed residual value was when the car came out. Anyone have any updates to help these poor souls move into a nice 4k lb block of steel?

It's the same with mustangs in Minnesota... there's about 10 in the parking lot at work. (i live in a small town of 30k people). I see at least another 10-20 on the 7 minute drive back home. People love their mustangs here.

I've driven my friends 2010 gt500. it's an insane amount of power which is fun on the straights. I broke almost highway speed limits near the end of 2nd gear in it. You're never gonna need that much power during any kind of normal regular driving. But if you wanna drag it's fine, the car rolls around corners due to having so much weight i couldn't like it for a daily. Plus gas mileage

I also think there's too many trolls lurking this thread

[raven1231]

THE FEELS!

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Romanov

I also think there's too many trolls lurking this thread

This is the FT86 forum after all...

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by abraxis

That's because in Dallas people only drive Mustangs. I've never seen so many freaking Mustangs. I think it's like some sort of Texas inside joke or something.

Wont argue with you there. I feel like there are more Mustangs and Camaros floating around than there are Camrys and Accords around here.

KBB put my cars value for a private sale @19.5k.
Even at $18k could not get a bite. I was very surprised.

[AsianStyle]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Edit: I gave up on the reflash, we'll see if the DI seals melt on my 12/12 built car, Toyota will replace them if they do before 60k and I have no problem replacing them myself later or if warranty is denied. Sucks but live and learn, I'll probably never buy a new car for myself again (the S.O. deserves one if she wants) unless Mazda makes a new RX. Dealership experience has been my #1 disappointment and that's not a mark on Toyota but rather the U.S. auto industry that Toyota is forced to sell within.

I finally got the re-flash done after I waited 2+ hrs of them not doing shit. I had to start cussing up a storm and then some more competent employee looked in to the TSB list, which I already referenced to my guy and they followed that and finally got it done.

Funny you mention the RX-8, I actually the first model year pre-ordered but backed out after the whole hp debacle when it came out (Rated at 250hp had to be de-tuned to meet US emissions to 238hp). I still got to test drive it before I backed out, but in a feel perspective that engine was amazing. So smooth felt like it could rev forever. A engine with that kind of character is what I would have liked in the twins. However, I think the renesis's was too impractical with burning oil and mpg to be my #1 choice.

I actually wouldn't have minded an inline even if it did raise the cog. I don't think the small increase in cog would be a huge detriment to the overall feeling of the twins. The C7 has a lower cog than the twins and that has a v8.

[AsianStyle]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Heck, all my cars are modded and not for bling. There is no perfect car I wouldn't change something about until you drop down maybe $400,000. So I don't think modding cars indicates anything about the 86 versus other choices.

I had to test drive this car 3x's before it all started to add up and make sense for me enough to actually buy one. I had a lot of reservations to start off with. I have sharper edgier cars, more powerful cars with more cylinders, grippier cars with AWD. In the final analysis, it simply was the most versatile jack of all trades daily driver for a single person available with great performance potential based on how I like to have fun driving. It also has a stupid funny 'character' that makes you want to giggle after you do dumb stuff like donuts or a slight drift before you put the car to bed at the end of the day. Despite not being the best at any one thing, it's the only car I have that makes me want to do 'just one more thing' before I park it in the garage.

This car is just funny. I laugh getting close to 40mpg on a long trip. I laugh when I take an off ramp at ludicrous speed weaving through traffic and the car's aero doesn't flinch. I laugh when people or things stand in the middle of the street and pretend to be cones. I laugh going to Home Depot or IKEA and hauling back a desk or set of shelves. To me, this car is freaking hilarious and I love it for it. Thin paint, crickets and all. If this car had a British badge on it, people wouldn't be complaining about anything. Quirks are special if you're British...or even Swedish.

No, my comment about modding/changing your car wasn't meant to mean I prefer some other car over the twins. I think I already stated several times that I didn't and wouldn't choose another car over the twins.

The point I was trying to make was to people who were for some reason thinking I was a troll and thinking the car is perfect and my opinion on what I would prefer is wrong for some reason. So, in turn I was making the same point you made as in no car is perfect and I'm sure others believe would change things on this car to better suit them. That' why we mod no?

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by AsianStyle

The C7 has a lower cog than the twins and that has a v8.

LT1 and LSx motors still are lower CoG than an inline 4. Not to mention the C7 has far less ground clearance. People forget or don't realize the 86 was designed to have around 5" of clearance for DD. C7 is around 3.25".

Yes it would have effected the handling and yes the front end and hood would have looked pretty different, maybe even weird.

So change your suspension and drop the 86 1.75" and remeasure that CoG versus the C7.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by AsianStyle

I finally got the re-flash done after I waited 2+ hrs of them not doing shit. I had to start cussing up a storm and then some more competent employee looked in to the TSB list, which I already referenced to my guy and they followed that and finally got it done.

Funny you mention the RX-8, I actually the first model year pre-ordered but backed out after the whole hp debacle when it came out (Rated at 250hp had to be de-tuned to meet US emissions to 238hp). I still got to test drive it before I backed out, but in a feel perspective that engine was amazing. So smooth felt like it could rev forever. A engine with that kind of character is what I would have liked in the twins. However, I think the renesis's was too impractical with burning oil and mpg to be my #1 choice.

I actually wouldn't have minded an inline even if it did raise the cog. I don't think the small increase in cog would be a huge detriment to the overall feeling of the twins. The C7 has a lower cog than the twins and that has a v8.

I didn't mention the RX-8. I don't think Mazda would use the 13B Renesis again, I would love it in an 86, if my car blew up and I didn't have to worry about the legality of a swap I would be seriously pursuing a 12A/13B of some kind. Given that Subaru was given the funding and access to Toyota technology I assume that Toyota would aid in the design of the 16X in my hypothetical dreamland.

I think the c.g. factor is hugely underrated and forgotten now that engineers are no longer the people being interviewed about the car. Every Honda, Toyota, Miata, BMW, Mustang, Camaro I've been in out of the box all have massive amount of body roll and the primary medicine is a stiff, jarring, suspension to keep the car flat, which compromises daily ride quality. I'm not saying the 86 rides like it's on a cloud (it is rather stiff) but from the first turn to the one I took tonight on my way to dinner, body roll was nonexistent, egging me on "yeah you could have taken that '25 mph' off-ramp at 65 instead of that wimpy 45 you just did".

Edit: Not to sleight the RX-8, if the 86 never existed I'd probably be driving one right now as it's the only thing that qualifies as an affordable lightweight RWD coupe built in the last 10 years. And as already evidenced, I've got a hard on for rotaries. I'm hoping to pick up a 7 (SA/FB) before prices creep out of 'toy' territory.

[Googoo24]

Originally Posted by abraxis

So you want to keep driving around with a trans noise before you let them fix your peeling steering wheel? I suppose that rusting chassis can wait too? Find that hard to believe...among other things.
.

LOL. As a lurker, even I was thinking this. Chirping fuel pump, dash that lifts, windows that sound like death, etc. He also won't trade the vehicle or part out the mods (due to potential poor return), despite his car sounding like a rolling ton-and-a-half of dog dookie.


I especially like his insistence that if you love this car, you must be a delusional layman who has never had the pleasure of experiencing a real performance car; or, if you have, you couldn't handle the POWAH!

[Captain Snooze]

I am going to make some broad sweeping generalisations for which I do not have data to support my hypothesis.
Ready? Here we go.
This is a BRZ/86/FRS forum so it stands to reason people who are interested (either in a positive, negative or ambivalent way) in the car will look at this forum and perhaps participate in discussion.
But what about all those other people who bought the marketing and salesperson spiel and just drive their car as a dd, week-end toy or 3rd car. That is, it is just another car to them that doesn't require any mods or discussion. I am suggesting this applies to the majority of owners world wide.

It can't be all things to all people.

[Quentin]

Very satisfied. It is beautiful, fun to drive, and was the cheapest car I've purchased in nearly a decade. It makes me want to be a much better driver.

[Wolfking]

Now equipt with coilovers, wheels and tires...WHO THE HELL NEEDS A THIRSTY MUSTANG GT, anyway?