2015 WRX vs. FR-S/BRZ

[thill]

Originally Posted by GT86meMR2

I pretty much look at how the CAR performs after im done with It regardless How much It eventually costs me. In My eyes the only reason the wrx is somewhat viable is because It has a Factory turbo and therefore easier increase in power. I can see what People like about it though.

But that's kinda my point. You start at roughly the same point in terms of base price for the two cars. For about $2500 you are at stage 2 with a WRX. We are talking sub $30K. For a few more thousand you can improve the suspension, shifter, etc.

[GT86meMR2]

Originally Posted by thill

But that's kinda my point. You start at roughly the same point in terms of base price for the two cars. For about $2500 you are at stage 2 with a WRX. We are talking sub $30K. For a few more thousand you can improve the suspension, shifter, etc.

Therefore i say the only thing the wrx has is the Factory turbo If they shared the Same engine i see the ft86 being the better CAR when You start modding.. However If You start looking At cars like that there is Always a CAR with slightly better numbers for a couple Thousand more.. I Just see the ft86 as the platform with the more potential i can definetly see why People would chose the easier path for power in the wrx though. I would rather Just improve My ft86 though even though it costs a couple Thousand more.. And when You start modding cars a couple thousands don't mean alot.. Send by Phone so text is messed up :p

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by GT86meMR2

Therefore i say the only thing the wrx has is the Factory turbo If they shared the Same engine i see the ft86 being the better CAR when You start modding.. However If You start looking At cars like that there is Always a CAR with slightly better numbers for a couple Thousand more.. I Just see the ft86 as the platform with the more potential i can definetly see why People would chose the easier path for power in the wrx though. I would rather Just improve My ft86 though even though it costs a couple Thousand more.. And when You start modding cars a couple thousands don't mean alot.. Send by Phone so text is messed up :p

I agree, but potential energy is wasted energy. So mod up Twin owners :p

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by GT86meMR2

Therefore i say the only thing the wrx has is the Factory turbo If they shared the Same engine i see the ft86 being the better CAR when You start modding.. However If You start looking At cars like that there is Always a CAR with slightly better numbers for a couple Thousand more.. I Just see the ft86 as the platform with the more potential i can definetly see why People would chose the easier path for power in the wrx though. I would rather Just improve My ft86 though even though it costs a couple Thousand more.. And when You start modding cars a couple thousands don't mean alot.. Send by Phone so text is messed up :p

But they don't have the same motors from the factory, and until they do, that argument isn't a strong one.

[Frost]

Here's my $0.02 on the topic since I was posed this very same question during my search for a fun car:

For me, in Canada, the WRX costs $2000 more to get into compared to the high end trim of the BRZ (Sport Tech which is what I want). The advantages of the WRX are quite obvious: more room, more POWAH, more accessories (sunroof, etc.) but to me, those are all frivolous in a fun car. For my objectives, this car is a Saturday to Sunday, wake-up-at-4:30am-to-catch-the-sunrise-drive kind of car. I don't need something that has daily driving perks so the sunroof is negated, the room is negated (likely will be me and maybe a partner) so that means just power alone is going for the WRX.

Most people agree that the handling numbers on the WRX is awesome. The same people will also agree that the BRZ feels better and is more fun. This is the niche that Toyobaru were aiming for: FUN.

I know that the BRZ isn't the fastest (don't care, not racing against anyone), not the roomiest (again just me) and not the most luxurious (not DD'ing it). But it is fun. That doesn't mean the WRX isn't fun, the BRZ is more focused on driver fun with the fun aspect being handling feel and responsiveness.

That's all I care for.

In cross shopping the Mustang EcoBoost, the WRX, Focus ST / Fiesta ST, MX-5 (NC), Genesis Coupe, etc. All of them have made compromises for daily driving moreso than the twins with the exception of the MX-5 primarily because it has a MUCH higher sticker price here in Canada.

That to me means the twins are my car. To me, power has never been the end-game and quite frankly for me, harder to learn to drive better.

My car history has involved: AW11 MR2, IS300, Echo Hatch. I have way more fond memories of the AW11 and me attempting to keep up in my Echo hatch on AutoX than I ever did of the IS300. That is why I will be going back to a driver focused fun car like the twins.

The WRX is definitely more bang for buck - but I've saved enough bucks that I will pay more for that tiny bit more of 'fun'.

Others will disagree but I don't care. It's my money

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Frost

Here's my $0.02 on the topic since I was posed this very same question during my search for a fun car:

For me, in Canada, the WRX costs $2000 more to get into compared to the high end trim of the BRZ (Sport Tech which is what I want). The advantages of the WRX are quite obvious: more room, more POWAH, more accessories (sunroof, etc.) but to me, those are all frivolous in a fun car. For my objectives, this car is a Saturday to Sunday, wake-up-at-4:30am-to-catch-the-sunrise-drive kind of car. I don't need something that has daily driving perks so the sunroof is negated, the room is negated (likely will be me and maybe a partner) so that means just power alone is going for the WRX.

Most people agree that the handling numbers on the WRX is awesome. The same people will also agree that the BRZ feels better and is more fun. This is the niche that Toyobaru were aiming for: FUN.

I know that the BRZ isn't the fastest (don't care, not racing against anyone), not the roomiest (again just me) and not the most luxurious (not DD'ing it). But it is fun. That doesn't mean the WRX isn't fun, the BRZ is more focused on driver fun with the fun aspect being handling feel and responsiveness.

That's all I care for.

In cross shopping the Mustang EcoBoost, the WRX, Focus ST / Fiesta ST, MX-5 (NC), Genesis Coupe, etc. All of them have made compromises for daily driving moreso than the twins with the exception of the MX-5 primarily because it has a MUCH higher sticker price here in Canada.

That to me means the twins are my car. To me, power has never been the end-game and quite frankly for me, harder to learn to drive better.

My car history has involved: AW11 MR2, IS300, Echo Hatch. I have way more fond memories of the AW11 and me attempting to keep up in my Echo hatch on AutoX than I ever did of the IS300. That is why I will be going back to a driver focused fun car like the twins.

The WRX is definitely more bang for buck - but I've saved enough bucks that I will pay more for that tiny bit more of 'fun'.

Others will disagree but I don't care. It's my money

This is post perfection! ^^^^^

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This is post perfection! ^^^^^

Well said! Different strokes for different people.

[CSG Mike]

I'll be honest.

If I were shopping for another car, the WRX is a no brainer over the BRZ/FRS for me. I can have every bit as much fun in the WRX as I do in a BRZ/FRS, and probably more.

But, if I were looking for a track toy, the BRZ is the choice hands down. The WRX is way too expensive to track prep.

[industrial]

I think it's pretty evident the wrx is a superior overall car as measured by the sum of its parts. It can do everything well. As well as a forester and a track prepped supercharged brz put together? Never ever even going get close even with $100,000. That's my story. If you need one sporty car to haul kids and drive through the winter, the wrx is clearly superior. If you can afford two cars or don't need to haul kids or drive through snow, why bother with such a compromised machine?

I swear I've had this exact same discussion on nasioc. S2000 vs sti.

[DSOmegaX]

Neither car is "superior" to the other. It's just a matter of one's personal preference and lifestyle vs. someone else's.

[TylerLieberman]

Drove the new WRX already and finally drove the new sti yesterday. That sti has me sold. Even with the old EJ engine.

Great car. Definitely worth the extra money over the standard WRX to me and definitely MUCH better than the last model.

[thill]

Originally Posted by industrial

I think it's pretty evident the wrx is a superior overall car as measured by the sum of its parts. It can do everything well. As well as a forester and a track prepped supercharged brz put together? Never ever even going get close even with $100,000. That's my story. If you need one sporty car to haul kids and drive through the winter, the wrx is clearly superior. If you can afford two cars or don't need to haul kids or drive through snow, why bother with such a compromised machine?

I swear I've had this exact same discussion on nasioc. S2000 vs sti.

LOL the WRX is compromised? Okay chief. The problem with a track prepped BRZ is that you can have a track prepped STI for close to the same price.

I am amazed at how many people who have spend thousands and thousands of dollars on the FT86 to add superchargers, turbos, more performance suspension parts, etc have their cars for sale within a year of doing all these mods. Why is that?

And there are a bunch of them too.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by thill

LOL the WRX is compromised? Okay chief. The problem with a track prepped BRZ is that you can have a track prepped STI for close to the same price.

I am amazed at how many people who have spend thousands and thousands of dollars on the FT86 to add superchargers, turbos, more performance suspension parts, etc have their cars for sale within a year of doing all these mods. Why is that?

And there are a bunch of them too.

For the cost of brake pads and an oil cooler, I get a BRZ to the STI price? Wowza!

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by thill

LOL the WRX is compromised? Okay chief. The problem with a track prepped BRZ is that you can have a track prepped STI for close to the same price.

I am amazed at how many people who have spend thousands and thousands of dollars on the FT86 to add superchargers, turbos, more performance suspension parts, etc have their cars for sale within a year of doing all these mods. Why is that?

And there are a bunch of them too.

i wonder that too, but i think those people are a bunch of amateurs who probably overboosted or had some problem with the car and are trying to unload the car while they still can. also, this is a niche car, most people probably buy the car not thinking about how exclusive the target market is. when people do realize that they'd need something bigger for family or whatever reason, the car hits the market.