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ichitaka05 · 07-10-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Heaviest Miata with the power retractable top and an auto is about 2627lbs. I hope they can hit that target.

I don't see why not? but S2k was pretty heavy (2800lbs), so I guess, I'm not sure. lol

Dimman · 07-10-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I don't see why not? but S2k was pretty heavy (2800lbs), so I guess, I'm not sure. lol

But both the Miata and S2K were convertibles. Since the F/T/R-86/S will be a coupe it will have inherent rigidity that means less extra weight for chassis bracing etc... I hope. If this thing weighs 2500lbs I will be very, very happy.

ichitaka05 · 07-10-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

But both the Miata and S2K were convertibles. Since the F/T/R-86/S will be a coupe it will have inherent rigidity that means less extra weight for chassis bracing etc... I hope. If this thing weighs 2500lbs I will be very, very happy.

Hm... 2500lbs might be too wishful thinking. BUT if they really did 2500lbs, you know how many people will buy this car? 2600~2750lbs would be realistic number to me.

Matador · 07-10-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbcraig

Ohhhhkay...

it the FT were to have an option of a engine similar to the NA version, but with a small turbo to just add some area under the curve, especially at low RPMs, I'm game for it to be on. I'd see here people wanting to spend the more money for a little more refined, torquey powertrain, and maybe a nicer interior. The people who are buying it to drive around on the street everyday.

But if the NA version is just a cheapo version and the turbo is the only choice for uprated suspension etc etc, I'll be pissed.
Furthermore, if the turbo version is built so stout like people are wanting, so it has 'giant-killer' capability...

The main focus of this car is the NA version. I don't think there will be anything "cheapo" about it. All a lot of people are asking for is a more powerful turbo version. They'd of course have to pay more for it, because with it comes a stouter transmission and beefier brakes, perhaps beefier suspension too. Nothing to affect you buying your NA version. In fact, if you want to drive on the track all the time, it could work out to your benefit, because if they make a track version like they said, you could have your NA car, with beefier brakes and suspension (from the turbo version) and for cheaper than the standard NA car. What's to bitch about?

The only place this car will be slaying giants (in the beginning of course) is on the circuit, not on the highway.

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Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

Sure as hell better be under 3000lbs. Especially if its a low powered NA car

This.

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Originally Posted by Dimman

But both the Miata and S2K were convertibles. Since the F/T/R-86/S will be a coupe it will have inherent rigidity that means less extra weight for chassis bracing etc... I hope. If this thing weighs 2500lbs I will be very, very happy.

Same here. I however expect it to be around the 2600lb mark. I will be very disappointed if Toyota makes this thing anywhere over 2650lbs (Na... say 2800lbs tops for the turbo?). The concept car is TINY. Make it work!!!

Dimman · 07-10-2010, 05:39 PM

How much did the last Celica GT-S weigh? I seem to remember being surprised at how little it weighed when it came out but can't seem to remember the number.

MtnDrvr86 · 07-10-2010, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

How much did the last Celica GT-S weigh? I seem to remember being surprised at how little it weighed when it came out but can't seem to remember the number.

Edmunds has it at 2500 even for 2005 manual and 2580 for automatic

ichitaka05 · 07-10-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MtnDrvr86

Edmunds has it at 2500 even for 2005 manual and 2580 for automatic

Yeah, but you can carry 1ZZ or 2ZZ engine by yourself, they're pretty light... but boxer engine is different story. I wouldn't call it lightweight, I have taken out my Impreza engine (twice) and they're pretty heavy.

Dimman · 07-10-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MtnDrvr86

Edmunds has it at 2500 even for 2005 manual and 2580 for automatic

If Toyota stays away (or lets us choose a trim level that stays away) from 19" wheels, power seats, automatics and all that crap, they should be able to hit 2600 lbs no prob. Please.

ichitaka05 · 07-10-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

If Toyota stays away (or lets us choose a trim level that stays away) from 19" wheels, power seats, automatics and all that crap, they should be able to hit 2600 lbs no prob. Please.

yeah, but last Celica's safety and new car safety is different. That's why older cars are lighter... usually

Dimman · 07-10-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

yeah, but last Celica's safety and new car safety is different. That's why older cars are lighter... usually

Can't have changed too much in 5 years, and the Miata can meet them so... I still want a 2600 lbs F/T/R-S/86.

Matador · 07-10-2010, 11:09 PM

Last gen Celicas were 24xx for the GT, 25xx for the GT-S

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Originally Posted by Dimman

Can't have changed too much in 5 years, and the Miata can meet them so... I still want a 2600 lbs F/T/R-S/86.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah, but you can carry 1ZZ or 2ZZ engine by yourself, they're pretty light... but boxer engine is different story. I wouldn't call it lightweight, I have taken out my Impreza engine (twice) and they're pretty heavy.

The 2ZZ is a 95kg engine, just over 200lbs. The EJs don't top 280lbs IIRC. Plus there is no guarantee that the boxer will be an EJ series engine.

Franisco · 07-10-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

If Toyota stays away (or lets us choose a trim level that stays away) from 19" wheels, power seats, automatics and all that crap, they should be able to hit 2600 lbs no prob. Please.

I sure hope they have an option away from that stuff..I don't see a 20k base model having power seats and 19'' anyway.

Dimman · 07-11-2010, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Franisco

I sure hope they have an option away from that stuff..I don't see a 20k base model having power seats and 19'' anyway.

Yeah, but dealers love all that crap. $$$ for them, performance be damned... Even if there is a no-frills option I think it will be a fight with dealers to bring them in. They only like stripped, base models to put the prices in the ads to bring people to them. But they absolutely HATE selling them.

ichitaka05 · 07-11-2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

The 2ZZ is a 95kg engine, just over 200lbs. The EJs don't top 280lbs IIRC. Plus there is no guarantee that the boxer will be an EJ series engine.

If Boxer engine isn't in this thing, than I'm out!

I kid, I kid.

Are you talkin' bout w fluids or without? If w fluids then yes, it does top over 280lbs for 2.5L, not sure bout the 2L ones. Don't forget, EJ engine may have 2 cylinders each side... but they're hellova big pistons.

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