FR-S Trim levels...

[nate89]

Sick truck, that almost looked liked it was too much for the guy to handle; but no thats not it. I couldn't find the right site where the guy had it, but here's the site where he sells the performance parts:

http://www.lceperformance.com/2RZ-01...-p/1012152.htm

Nevermind I found it: Paradise Racing

http://www.paradiseracing.com/Store/...d=33&Itemid=27

The 2rz is definitely underestimated...iron block, aluminum heads, forged steel connecting rods (I miss my taco) Depending on what comes in the FR-S, I might slap one of these in it hehe.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

^ That's a "3S-GTE" (read: 503E) IIRC.

Oh I know... but for me, 1,000plus hp truck only come to mind is that truck

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Talkin' bout this?

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Thats as much a Tacoma as I am a Native American.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by corbin

I'll be disappointed if the engine can't compete with the big boys... Z06's, GT-Rs, etc. From what I've seen, STI's get stomped on straights by pretty much anything RWD... hopefully that's just due to the crappy top end from AWD, but I'm not convinced since EVO's seem to do much better.

Initially I thought the boxer engine would be perfect because of the weight distribution, but lately I've been fantasizing about a high displacement inline 4. 2.0L just doesn't cut it to be competitive in racing. I don't want this car to be another underpowered but fun to drive Honda... (S2000) half the fun for me is cruising around in a car that is a giant killer, and that just isn't possible without a good motor.

That's a great joke.

Hope you have flame suits on

[S2KtoFT86]

Originally Posted by corbin

I'll be disappointed if the engine can't compete with the big boys... Z06's, GT-Rs, etc. From what I've seen, STI's get stomped on straights by pretty much anything RWD... hopefully that's just due to the crappy top end from AWD, but I'm not convinced since EVO's seem to do much better.

Initially I thought the boxer engine would be perfect because of the weight distribution, but lately I've been fantasizing about a high displacement inline 4. 2.0L just doesn't cut it to be competitive in racing. I don't want this car to be another underpowered but fun to drive Honda... (S2000) half the fun for me is cruising around in a car that is a giant killer, and that just isn't possible without a good motor.

Lol, people are pushing out 800rwhp out of S2000's now, on the F20. That isn't a giant killer?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by nate89

^ Yeah...

The thing I hate is that every car manufacture thinks they need to make their cars bigger; so that means more weight, and a bigger engine to push all that weight. You don't need big displacement to have big power. Think of the popular RB26dett: 2.6 liter, twin turbo, and can easily make 600+ reliably. A lesser know example is the 2rz from the 01-05 tacoma: 2.4 liters, and one guy boosted it and made over 1000hp on stock internals (swapped it into a rwd corolla for drag racing). We just need something light weight, small displacement, and turbo to bring the numbers up.

You have to take these 'stock internal' claims with a grain of salt. There is a local shop making some world's fastest claims about their 'stock internal' Mk4 Supra. But they interpret that as being stock pistons, crank, and rods BUT they have ARP rod bolts. This is not how I interpret stock internals, especially on a 2JZGTE motor where the rod bolts are the known weak link (weak being 600ish hp range).

The other thing is how long it's making its power for. A whole season? Or just 2 or 3 dyno pulls? Huge number 'stock internal' claims are always shady.

Even on Toyota motors.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

@Craig.
1- MKIV > MK* Supra.
2- Buy your NA version and be happy, don't hate on the people who want a turbo version of a lightweight car at a low price too. It will only mean more sales, more years of production and more sports cars in the end.

In all performance aspects MK4 > MK*.

But in my opinion MK3 > MK* in the looks department.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

Lol, people are pushing out 800rwhp out of S2000's now, on the F20. That isn't a giant killer?

Speaking of which, the fastest SK2 is running low 8's but with a 2JZ. I saw a coupld vids of turbo'd F20's putting down some nice numbers on a stock internals! Very impressive.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by corbin

I'll be disappointed if the engine can't compete with the big boys... Z06's, GT-Rs, etc. From what I've seen, STI's get stomped on straights by pretty much anything RWD... hopefully that's just due to the crappy top end from AWD, but I'm not convinced since EVO's seem to do much better.

Initially I thought the boxer engine would be perfect because of the weight distribution, but lately I've been fantasizing about a high displacement inline 4. 2.0L just doesn't cut it to be competitive in racing. I don't want this car to be another underpowered but fun to drive Honda... (S2000) half the fun for me is cruising around in a car that is a giant killer, and that just isn't possible without a good motor.

I don't have the money to afford a giant-killer off the showroom. Not the purpose of this car.

As for STI's getting stomped, check out this old vid.

PS: AWD has no relevance to top-end power/acceleration.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by corbin

As for the post above mine... beating a Supra isn't all that big of a deal, all fanboyism aside. Z06's, Cobras, 240SX w/ KA-T, 20B RX-7's, Evo's are all faster.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not arguing for drag racing - that obviously isn't what this car is about. I'm just hoping that it has the straight line speed to be competitive on the road racing track.

The point is also that it's trapping in the 140mph range. That means it's making decent top-end power.

The FR-S is not going to be competitive on a road racing track unless it has extensive mods. Figure an Exige with less power and an extra 800lbs of ballast. However there is potential in the EJ boxer series to make big, driveable power.

Edit: Youtube 'street-racing' vids are not the best example due to a few reasons: there is no legitimate timing system, recorded distance, and many of the 'mods', especially on the car that the video poster beat, are questionable at best.

The vid I posted showed two comparable, legitimate 9 second cars trapping in the 140 mph range over a quarter mile. Yours showed what? One car winning and one losing over a questionable distance at questionable speeds.

Either way the boxer EJ series can make huge power. Probably more than this FR-S will be able to put down through 2 wheels, and more that will be practical on a road course. However it will cost money.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by corbin

Do you have any examples of 2.0L inline 4's that are competitive in modern racing? The only thing I can think of is the 4g63...

Alright, I'll list few of em that is 2L or lower ones.

Lotus Elise, Exige, 340R, 2-Eleven, Europa S (1.6~2L)
Suzuki Swift Sport (1.6L used in JWRC)
SW20 TRD 2000GT (2L)
Yamaha tuned Toyota 3S-GT Engine (2~2.1L example: Supra GT)
& not to forget Ariel Atom (2L K20Z)

want me to keep goin'?

edit:
Oh, btw I love this Top Gear episode of Atom
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[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Alright, I'll list few of em that is 2L or lower ones.

Lotus Elise, Exige, 340R, 2-Eleven, Europa S (1.6~2L)
Suzuki Swift Sport (1.6L used in JWRC)
SW20 TRD 2000GT (2L)
Yamaha tuned Toyota 3S-GT Engine (2~2.1L example: Supra GT)
& not to forget Ariel Atom (2L K20Z)

want me to keep goin'?

edit:
Oh, btw I love this Top Gear episode of Atom

"It's so quick it can destroy your entire face."

[OneJoeZee]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The FR-S is not going to be competitive on a road racing track unless it has extensive mods.

Competitive with what?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OneJoeZee

Competitive with what?

I believe Corbin was speculating on whether this motor can hang with the big boys and mentioned the GT-R and Z06. Whether it will have the top end for straights on a road course.

As purchased, we all know it won't

That will take $$$.