FR-S Trim levels...

[OneJoeZee]

IMO, the less trim levels the better. There is no need for 5-6 different trim levels. IF the turbo is made, no more than 3 trim levels are necessary. An NA model, a Turbo model, and a stripped down track model if that's what the people want. But NA and Turbo as your two choices is just fine. If you want different things on the car, do it with options and accessories. Especially for a car that's supposed to be an entry level sports car... keep it simple.

A lot of Toyota's other enthusiast cars did just fine with just a few trim levels. Supra is either turbo or non turbo. MR2 is turbo or non turbo, SC or non SC. Of course there are some different roof options in there and other feature options but a Supra turbo is a Supra turbo. There's no need for a Supra turbo and Supra turbo targa.

5-6 trim levels are for Corollas and Camrys and stuff.

Then again, the JDM Supras had many trim levels with RZ, GZ, SZ, SZ-R, Twin turbo R, Twin Turbo limited, etc but really 2 or 3 is enough for one car which is how they were in the US.


That's just me. I'm just not caught up in the importance of so much nauseating nomenclature. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Civic dx, hx, fx, ex, XXX nor do I really care.

Sometimes less is more.

Excessive trim levels may be a good way for Toyota to bump up the price from the 'base' model to a trim level 2-3 trims higher and have a bunch of people paying a lot of money for a loaded up model. :shrug: I will probably be buying a base model anyway if I get one. Or if it's turbo, the basic turbo package.

[nate89]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

I'm going to go on the record right now... I don't think there will be, and I hope there will not be, a turbo version.

Why would you say that? I hope they make a turbo version and a n/a version, that way you can have your cool car, and I can have my fast, cool car lol.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by nate89

Why would you say that? I hope they make a turbo version and a n/a version, that way you can have your cool car, and I can have my fast, cool car lol.

Cuz, some ppl want this car only in NA. I kinda want this car NA & buy STI coupe in Turbo... but that doesn't mean, they shouldn't make Turbo. I'm all for Turbo... at the same time, high rev NA. If Toyota sell it like that, they'll make tons of money again!

[nate89]

I was just messin lol. I hope it comes in both trims since people have different needs and approaches to tuning. I know a lot of die-hard N/A people, and others who will never own a non turbo car. I've always been N/A, but I'd like for this to be my first turbo car.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OneJoeZee

IMO, the less trim levels the better. There is no need for 5-6 different trim levels. IF the turbo is made, no more than 3 trim levels are necessary. An NA model, a Turbo model, and a stripped down track model if that's what the people want. But NA and Turbo as your two choices is just fine. If you want different things on the car, do it with options and accessories. Especially for a car that's supposed to be an entry level sports car... keep it simple.

A lot of Toyota's other enthusiast cars did just fine with just a few trim levels. Supra is either turbo or non turbo. MR2 is turbo or non turbo, SC or non SC. Of course there are some different roof options in there and other feature options but a Supra turbo is a Supra turbo. There's no need for a Supra turbo and Supra turbo targa.

5-6 trim levels are for Corollas and Camrys and stuff.

Then again, the JDM Supras had many trim levels with RZ, GZ, SZ, SZ-R, Twin turbo R, Twin Turbo limited, etc but really 2 or 3 is enough for one car which is how they were in the US.


That's just me. I'm just not caught up in the importance of so much nauseating nomenclature. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Civic dx, hx, fx, ex, XXX nor do I really care.

Sometimes less is more.

Excessive trim levels may be a good way for Toyota to bump up the price from the 'base' model to a trim level 2-3 trims higher and have a bunch of people paying a lot of money for a loaded up model. :shrug: I will probably be buying a base model anyway if I get one. Or if it's turbo, the basic turbo package.

Amen

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[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Amen

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[RRnold]

I wonder if they'll adapt to the BMW/MB euro style. Instead of offering different trim levels, have a NA and turbo version and you build it from there. It would be so much easier...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I wonder if they'll adapt to the BMW/MB euro style. Instead of offering different trim levels, have a NA and turbo version and you build it from there. It would be so much easier...

That's how Scion do w their site. They have their base price and you built as you like.

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by nate89

I was just messin lol. I hope it comes in both trims since people have different needs and approaches to tuning. I know a lot of die-hard N/A people, and others who will never own a non turbo car. I've always been N/A, but I'd like for this to be my first turbo car.

I mean... I have a WRX (turbo, of course) and love it.

But I want this car to be anintensely pure, lightweight, simple car and if I buy one, it'll be a superlightweight track car, street legal but jsut so.
The other option that very seriously may happen after college, that I would really like to do, is build a flyweight car... for now, my favorite being the Ultralite S2k.

I'd just rather the people looking for big forced-induction power go to the bigger, bigger-engined cars (Genesis, 370, Mustang...) and Toyota focus on keeping this lightweight and precise.

Now... I think that then, Toyota could do like an early Supra and make a model re-engineered for more firepower. Either an H6 or beefed-up H4, turbo, and a strong tranny (hopefully rear transaxle to let the bigger / heavier engine sit even further back), a lil more weight in tha chassis to hold ridicilous amounts of power, feel more solid / planted rather than lightweight and flicky, and some more luxury (as needed for a more expensive car).

So there you go... My vision for the FT-86/FR-S and what I think a new Supra should be - a redeux of the First supras, not the MkIV - and why. Enjoy.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

I mean... I have a WRX (turbo, of course) and love it.

But I want this car to be anintensely pure, lightweight, simple car and if I buy one, it'll be a superlightweight track car, street legal but jsut so.
The other option that very seriously may happen after college, that I would really like to do, is build a flyweight car... for now, my favorite being the Ultralite S2k.

I'd just rather the people looking for big forced-induction power go to the bigger, bigger-engined cars (Genesis, 370, Mustang...) and Toyota focus on keeping this lightweight and precise.

Now... I think that then, Toyota could do like an early Supra and make a model re-engineered for more firepower. Either an H6 or beefed-up H4, turbo, and a strong tranny (hopefully rear transaxle to let the bigger / heavier engine sit even further back), a lil more weight in tha chassis to hold ridicilous amounts of power, feel more solid / planted rather than lightweight and flicky, and some more luxury (as needed for a more expensive car).

So there you go... My vision for the FT-86/FR-S and what I think a new Supra should be - a redeux of the First supras, not the MkIV - and why. Enjoy.

If Toyota or Subaru made FR H6 NA coupe w 280hp/290tq (& it's possible hq/tq w 3~3.3L), I'll buy it in heartbeat!!!!!

[Matador]

@Craig.
1- MKIV > MK* Supra.
2- Buy your NA version and be happy, don't hate on the people who want a turbo version of a lightweight car at a low price too. It will only mean more sales, more years of production and more sports cars in the end.

[nate89]

^ Yeah...

The thing I hate is that every car manufacture thinks they need to make their cars bigger; so that means more weight, and a bigger engine to push all that weight. You don't need big displacement to have big power. Think of the popular RB26dett: 2.6 liter, twin turbo, and can easily make 600+ reliably. A lesser know example is the 2rz from the 01-05 tacoma: 2.4 liters, and one guy boosted it and made over 1000hp on stock internals (swapped it into a rwd corolla for drag racing). We just need something light weight, small displacement, and turbo to bring the numbers up.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by nate89

^ Yeah...

The thing I hate is that every car manufacture thinks they need to make their cars bigger; so that means more weight, and a bigger engine to push all that weight. You don't need big displacement to have big power. Think of the popular RB26dett: 2.6 liter, twin turbo, and can easily make 600+ reliably. A lesser know example is the 2rz from the 01-05 tacoma: 2.4 liters, and one guy boosted it and made over 1000hp on stock internals (swapped it into a rwd corolla for drag racing). We just need something light weight, small displacement, and turbo to bring the numbers up.

Talkin' bout this?

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[Matador]

^ That's a "3S-GTE" (read: 503E) IIRC.