2015 Ford Mustang / Shelby GT350 Official - 5.2L FPC with 500+hp/400+ lb-ft

[EAGLE5]

So I rented a Mustang convertible. 2012 is my guess, with 24k miles. Mediocre seats, middling fuel economy when babied, numb steering, numb brakes, and awful interior design. The 1992 Prelude called and wants its interior back. Just kidding. The Prelude's is better. I turned the Mustang in the next day for a Focus. Within 3 minutes I remembered why I didn't get an ST. The seats suck. The engine is also uninspired with a balky transmission at only 4k miles. The fuel economy is decent but worse than I expected. Worst of all, the Sync system is a terrible joke. It makes 2007's iDrive, probably the system's worst year, look like a 1984 Mac. I'm probably going to sell my Ford stock. Shoulda taken the Corolla.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Yup. I thought it was pretty lame when Porsche did this with the Spyder and Honda with the CR. Remove amenities that add a lot of, how to put this, "enjoyability", for 90% of the buyers, while removing only 10s of pounds, and charge more for it.

Putting the LS7 in a Camaro is a no-brainer, but removing what are now basic standard features to save less than 2% weight, leaving the car still 100s overweight is a bit silly and reeks of gimmickry. 1LE with a hot cam would get you the 500+ hp for 10s of thousands less

Honestly, I'd just as soon have RPO Z28 be just the aero, brakes, wheels, and suspension. LS7s still scare with the valve guide wear. I love the idea of a 7k small block, but I don't want to have to pull the heads on a daily driver for peace of mind. Z06? Sure. Do a valve job and springs and cam all at the same time and have a 550 whp weekend beast. But not on a car I'm going to drive every day.

[Subie]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

but 1 speaker?

Nothing an aftermarket audio setup can't cure, provided the space is there for the rest of the speakers to go.

[boead]

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[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

So I rented a Mustang convertible. 2012 is my guess, with 24k miles. Mediocre seats, middling fuel economy when babied, numb steering, numb brakes, and awful interior design. The 1992 Prelude called and wants its interior back. Just kidding. The Prelude's is better. I turned the Mustang in the next day for a Focus. Within 3 minutes I remembered why I didn't get an ST. The seats suck. The engine is also uninspired with a balky transmission at only 4k miles. The fuel economy is decent but worse than I expected. Worst of all, the Sync system is a terrible joke. It makes 2007's iDrive, probably the system's worst year, look like a 1984 Mac. I'm probably going to sell my Ford stock. Shoulda taken the Corolla.

I'm going to go ahead and call BS on your 2012 convertible experience. What were you looking for? The finest leather, stitched expensive interior and camels ass pillow soft supporting seats? For under 50k? Good luck. You won't find anyone offering the performance + that level interior quality under 50k. Period.
So how about this. Never drive a Ford or for that matter any domestic again. Obviously it's not for you. You have one of the largest most outrageous laundry list of non-existent complaints and all it says to me is "hi, I watch Top Gear and don't actually know what I'm talking about. I'm just believing and going off of everything Clarkson says." I don't understand how you can equate a standard Focus to the ST when the interiors are wildly different, INCLUDING the seats. And if you think a 92 Prelude interior compares to the Mustangs interior then you're both VERY high and exaggerating greatly.
As a matter of fact don't even look at a Ford ever again, the next time you see one just pretend it's a dense patch of invisible air. You'll be doing yourself and the people that would rather not hear your outlandish opinion a favor. I worked for Ford in 2007 and still work BMW today; Sync is still much better than iDrive at it's worst, and has improved greatly since it's initial debut.

[boead]

This is more fun to watch.
Forget about Ford or the other domestic failures.
SVTSHC guy, do you own a 86 or plan on buying one?


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[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by boead

This is more fun to watch.
Forget about Ford or the other domestic failures.
SVTSHC guy, do you own a 86 or plan on buying one?

Yeah I do, but I also don't feel like I need to put down other cars to show how much I appreciate the 86 either. The mustang was my runner up choice only because I don't feel like dropping 40k on anything at the moment. I like both cars about equally for different reasons.

Too many fanboys out there claiming to be enthusiasts; yet can't seem to see beyond the badge on a car.

I get it, some of you don't like the Mustang- it's simply not your cup of tea. But too many of you throw around this "THIS CAR SUCKS" attitude as if your subjective opinion is law. The world will never be in universal agreement with one persons tastes.

[boead]

How many mustangs have you owned?
Ive had 4.
Close friends have had more than that, spanning the entire history of Mustang.
I know mustangs well.

This is my first Toyota and/or Subaru however.

The last ford I had sucked, the one prior sucked an so on - Im not sure I ever owned a good Ford although apparently there are a few but they may just be fan bois.

[EAGLE5]

SV,

I put down the cars, not the people. You put down the people for their opinions.

When I rented a Corolla, I expected awful handling and numb steering. I got loose handling that was still lots of fun in the twisties. When I test drove the Golf R, I expected nothing and got a great car with a great interior and fun handling. Too bad the price is too high, the fuel economy is too low, and the electronics make track days unfun. The Focus ST has great suspension and a solid engine, but every criticism I had is dead on. The Mustang was just miserable. I passed on the 135i because it's too heavy with too high maintenance costs, and despite fixed fuel pumps and injectors, I don't trust the 35i engine line at all. Too many dead turbos. I would have loved to turn up that boost though. 400+hp is dead easy on those. Little more than intake, exhaust, a chip, and e85. Then there's the RX8. So much cheaper used and handles like an FRS. It even shifts better and makes getting in thbe back seat easier. However, the fuel economy when sucks and the engines have all sorts of issues, from broken apex seals to hard starting. I don't want the headaches.

So before you go insulting people, which you seem to do often, start paying attention to the facts.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

SV,

I put down the cars, not the people. You put down the people for their opinions.

When I rented a Corolla, I expected awful handling and numb steering. I got loose handling that was still lots of fun in the twisties. When I test drove the Golf R, I expected nothing and got a great car with a great interior and fun handling. Too bad the price is too high, the fuel economy is too low, and the electronics make track days unfun. The Focus ST has great suspension and a solid engine, but every criticism I had is dead on. The Mustang was just miserable. I passed on the 135i because it's too heavy with too high maintenance costs, and despite fixed fuel pumps and injectors, I don't trust the 35i engine line at all. Too many dead turbos. I would have loved to turn up that boost though. 400+hp is dead easy on those. Little more than intake, exhaust, a chip, and e85. Then there's the RX8. So much cheaper used and handles like an FRS. It even shifts better and makes getting in thbe back seat easier. However, the fuel economy when sucks and the engines have all sorts of issues, from broken apex seals to hard starting. I don't want the headaches.

So before you go insulting people, which you seem to do often, start paying attention to the facts.

Find me a direct insult. Find me one post where I called either you or the other poster any sort of insult and I'll go ahead and deactivate my account. I don't throw around personal insults and you haven't listed any facts you've stated your opinion and impression of the vehicle. All I said was that's YOUR opinion and before you go putting down a car in general you need to state that in your opinion the car isn't worthwhile, because what you find not to your liking might be perfect for someone else.

Do me a favor and don't put words in my mouth. I do my best not to insult other posters especially for their opinions. An argument is one thing, stating that fanboys need to see beyond a badge is one thing (Unless you feel like you qualify as a fanboy then it doesn't apply to you. Obviously you must if you take it as a personal affront. As far as I'm concerned you've made it obvious you don't like the mustang and the focus, which doesn't make you a fanboy it means clearly the vehicles aren't to your personal tastes.), to outright insult someone is totally different and I have yet to do that.




Boead I've owned a mustang in the past but I'm not talking about the mustangs of yesteryear the discussion is about the current and upcoming mustang. One of which is one hell of a buy according to many reviews and the other has yet to come out.
I already said it, if you don't like the car you don't like the car. Fine, that's your personal tastes/opinion and you're entitled to it. Just don't go speaking as if your word is law. What happens is people without as much automotive knowledge hear/read what people like yourself say and take it as absolute fact which helps perpetuate an old stereotype for a company that's been improving for years. In other words you're helping not give them a chance.

[DKPJester]

Originally Posted by boead

How many mustangs have you owned?
Ive had 4.

The last ford I had sucked, the one prior sucked an so on - Im not sure I ever owned a good Ford although apparently there are a few but they may just be fan bois.

Not trying to troll, but do you have some work/family association with Ford? Why would you buy 4 of a car that sucked?

[EAGLE5]

Too many fanboys out there claiming to be enthusiasts; yet can't seem to see beyond the badge on a car.

Seems like an attack on the person, not a comment on the cars. I'm pretty sure there are more examples. SV, I'm happy to hear your opinions on the cars. I'm sure you know many things I don't. However, your comments sometimes go a bit off target, which makes me and probably other people not want to continue the conversation.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Seems like an attack on the person, not a comment on the cars. I'm pretty sure there are more examples. SV, I'm happy to hear your opinions on the cars. I'm sure you know many things I don't. However, your comments sometimes go a bit off target, which makes me and probably other people not want to continue the conversation.

I had a feeling that's what you were referencing but I meant it as more of a general statement. It seems like the number of people that judge a car by what it is rather than who made it is on the decline and it's largely due to ignorance (again not saying that you fit that description). So my weakness is I can't help but jump to defend the maker that's being called out; I've done it with a bunch of manufacturers including foreign ones. I've grown accustomed to having to defend against stereotyping and my problem is I can't keep my mouth shut about it when I see it (I'm working on it).

But again, it was more a statement made out of exasperation than one targeted toward any specific individual. If you felt it was directed at you, you have my sincerest apologies. :happy0180:

[LSxJunkie]

This thread is fun. I guess I don't have much experience with real fancy cars or nothin', but my Mustang seems alright.